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Discussion in 'Tiers' started by hclat, Nov 6, 2015.

  1. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    I don't think this set should get any special name. All it is is standard mixmence with +Spe instead of +SpA

    also ninjax u genius if u edit your responses into your original post instead of making a new post noone will read it.

    why are you talking about smogon sets when a PP analysis exist?

    ADV OU (OverUsed) - Salamence [GP Ready] | Pokémon Perfect
     
  2. Dizno

    Dizno Liquid Swords Host Emeritus

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    DA i referenced both of your queries in the post. I said although i gave it a name, its just +Spd mence.
    The reason i mentioned the smogon sets was because that is the set ppl refer to.
    the info was there already
     
  3. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    we gotta change that then
     
  4. Dizno

    Dizno Liquid Swords Host Emeritus

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    my bad actually i didnt realise the pp set for mixmence was different from the smogon set

    also Ninjax I would like to respond to your comment regarding the lack of damage from rock slide on mixmence.
    Stab is not relevant, if you predict zap, its a 2hko? I dont see how that underwhelming
     
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  5. hclat

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    The downside of dropping dragon claw isn't the damage-mence can find a move in its pool to do more than dclaw to practically every mon. Instead, it's the coverage it offers. It lowers the guesswork required and allows you to not risk sacrificing tempo. It knocks tar into bb range, pert into hp grass range, gar into range where it can't come in again, and does relevant damage to zapdos and cune. So while it isn't really a haymaker of a move, it avoids backbreaking scenarios like brick break/hp grass on a gar switch or fire blast on a tar switch.
    Rock slide isn't bad necessarily, and its ability to turn mence into a moltres answer is another perk, but it's objectively a far riskier option and isn't used nearly as often for a reason.
    Bulkier spreads can also be quite useful, giving mence a chance to survive things like pert ice beam, gar ice punch, and opposing mence's dclaw
     
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  6. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    most of the smogon sets are different because they were mostly written several years ago! Anyway it's fine if u didn't realise that, now you know for the future that the PP analyses are guarantee'd qualitE while the smogon analyses are unreliable at best~
     
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  7. ThrashNinjax

    ThrashNinjax Lets take to the Skies Host Emeritus

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    Errrrr can we please not derail the conversation into which site does better at maintaining resources (PP does but still).

    hclat's points are good, and yeah the fact is that Mence kinda does suck in this meta, proliferation of Refresh mon Bulky Offense and Tar / Jirachi with Ice moves blow and it was never all that great to begin with. It's staying where it is for now bop.

    Now that I've said that you guys can feel free to discuss anything else I changed or other changes you'd like to see.
     
  8. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    since jax got banned, have given control of the thread to hclat
     
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    I was bored a few weeks ago and created a usage stat sheet for PPL which can be found here. I thought I'd share it with you guys.

    Not really too many surprises but I'll leave a couple observations:

    -Gengar's usage seems a little on the low side to me however its win percentage was quite impressive.
    -Claydol usage was quite high, just behind Jirachi and ahead of tier staples like Aerodactyl and Dugtrio. Refresh definitely increases the amount of teams it can find its way on to since it not longer needs support against the tier's best spiker. Still a bit surprising to me though.
    -Flygon maintained a solid win percentage despite the recent prevalence of DD IB tar although with only 17 teams using it in the tour, the small sample size makes these results unreliable.
    -Skarmory at the number 2 spot (with a decent win percentage) is a bit surprising to me. The metagame has been a bit rough on it recently but it still seems to be doing well regardless. The stats in general definitely seem to indicate that TSS is still going strong.


    Definitely would like to hear if you guys have any thoughts!
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    The usage results are definitely pretty surprising.. TTar at over 75% usage, Zapdos ahead of Swampert, Jirachi used just barely more than Claydol, Snorlax snagging over 25% usage... they're definitely interesting numbers that look quite a bit different from say SPL's usage I think.
     
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    Cowboy Dan Host Emeritus

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    I wouldn't say zapdos is that surprising. In SPL swampert got around 39% and zapdos around 38%, in this zapdos was around 39% with swampert around 38%, so both got pretty similar usage. If you look at the pokes around jirachi too I'd say that's more a function of claydol being abnormally high than rachi being abnormally low. Snorlax also had lower usage in PPL than it did in SPL where it snagged almost 30% usage. I did overlook ttar though, it usually sits around 65-70%, so 77% is a bit abnormal.
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    Yeah, I guess I'm just remembering the days when Pert was encroaching on 50%, but I do feel like Rachi is kind of low, it feels like that Pokemon is everywhere these days so it seems strange it not even snagging 30%. It's almost an S rank.
     
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    As I have been saying for a long time Skarm is the second or third best pokemon in the tier (I think second). The metagame cannot realistically get much more hostile to skarm. We are already seeing lots of magneton and even non-trivial amounts of refresh claydol. Yet skarm teams keep winning.

    I am most surprised Jirachi was so low. I think it will see alot more use next PPL.
     
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    I am unsure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm looking for some good resources on Claydol. It seems he lacks even a work in progress analysis. Can anyone spare some tips or resources?
     
  15. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    Dropped some for this man on Discord :thumbsup:
     
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