GSC OU Viability Rankings

[magic9mushroom]

It's a great mon which I like a lot, but it really needs support due to that lack of speed.

Wak needs support, but not really because of its low Speed. It needs a Spinner due to lacking Leftovers, and appreciates a Beller.

Also, Tyranitar as a self-sufficient offense mon? Maybe with AncientPower, but that's not particularly reliable. Tyranitar's usual sets are phazers and Pursuiters.

 

[asbdsp]

Wak needs support, but not really because of its low Speed. It needs a Spinner due to lacking Leftovers, and appreciates a Beller.

Also, Tyranitar as a self-sufficient offense mon? Maybe with AncientPower, but that's not particularly reliable. Tyranitar's usual sets are phazers and Pursuiters.

Ttar doesn't really need support is my point, and it generally fits on offense, it's got underrated mixed attacking potential too, basically it has characteristics and utility which are the opposite of Marowak's limiting factors. Speed, lack of leftovers, lack of defensive utilty, I mean they all combine to limit it's roles and effectiveness, even though it is amazing in that limited role if it's getting to just hit things.

 

[magic9mushroom]

Ttar doesn't really need support is my point

Well, saying that a support 'mon doesn't need support is both generally true and not very meaningful - Miltank doesn't require support either.

What you're actually getting at here is splashability, and Ttar('s usual, Pursuit set) is not especially splashable - you don't really want to use it unless you have something on your team that needs Pursuit support (usually MonoLax or a spinner). If you don't need that Pursuit you probably want a different FireLax answer, either one that gives different support (i.e. Miltank providing Bell, Gengar/Missy providing spinblock) or one that has more offensive presence (i.e. Rhydon with STAB Earthquake, or again Gengar via Exploding on Raikou).

Mixed Ttar is really not that impressive unless it runs AncientPower and actually gets the boosts. It doesn't have access to sleep, instant recovery or Explosion, it's susceptible to all forms of status and residual, and its STABs are nothing special due to awful base power. All it's really got going for it is its statline (which is admittedly good).

 

[Lojh]

Ttar is a support mon, not a sweeper. It’s not “punching holes” in teams. Ttar is versatile, so you never know what set you are going to get when you see it. Wak is like vap in which it requires the whole team to be built around it, but it still functions. A pokemon “needing support” doesnt make it a bad mon. I do realize that wak is a b+ mon and not an A- mon and in B+ it will reside, its role compression is slightly more than you think. Electric check + breaker/sweeper is already really cool.

I have removed d rank and below because its super messed up

 

[Lojh]

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Btw a whole bunch of rankings done by great gscers + me credits to Earthworm for collecting information

 

[magic9mushroom]

Btw a whole bunch of rankings done by great gscers + me credits to Earthworm for collecting information

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[Lojh]

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[asbdsp]

How about that Jynx rise though Lojh?

 

[Lojh]

Jynx is a 1d mon and most people dont believe in a rise. Problem is it takes up an entire pokemon slot and offers no defensive utility and only really breaks through one specific build consistently.

 

[Disaster Area]

problem for jynx is they added freeze clause right Ch01W0n5h1n

 

[magic9mushroom]

Fixed

>Miltank behind Golem, Jynx and Heracross

Glad to see we haven't implemented it.

 

[juoean]

why is espeon in C-? as a growth passer its bad offensive typing leaves it worse than jolteon despite its higher sp atk and it has even less set diversity since it doesnt get agility. ive never seen it used so idk if im missing something

pokemon that have been removed from the rankings like zam, piloswine have actual niches

and i agree @ hera being too high, most teams have skarm or zap anyway it requires sm support to actually be threatening & it cant rly be concealed since it wants to absorb sleep.

 

[magic9mushroom]

why is espeon in C-? as a growth passer its bad offensive typing leaves it worse than jolteon despite its higher sp atk and it has even less set diversity since it doesnt get agility. ive never seen it used so idk if im missing something

pokemon that have been removed from the rankings like zam, piloswine have actual niches

and i agree @ hera being too high, most teams have skarm or zap anyway it requires sm support to actually be threatening & it cant rly be concealed since it wants to absorb sleep.

-Espeon has Morning Sun; also, for OU play the normal targets of a Growthpass are Zapdos and Raikou, so it's useful to have a different typing on the passer (other way around for Ubers play because the normal target is Mewtwo).

-Hera in B+ is bad; should be B-. That said, CurseRestTalk Hera and EndRev Hera aren't terrible. The former has a decent shot at breaking Zapdos (asleep Thunder Zapdos does not work) and the latter doesn't need Skarm dead.

 

[magic9mushroom]

Golem could stand to rise; it's seeing a lot of use at the moment on offensive teams (usually EQ/Spin/Roar/Explosion). Usage isn't viability, but that is a lot of role compression.

(Golem has awful 4MSS - having to forgo Curse, HP Rock for Zapdos/Cloy and Fire Blast for Skarm hurts it a lot. Still, as long as it's Spinning when it gets walled it's not useless.)