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ADV XU Viability Rankings

Discussion in 'Tiers' started by Disaster Area, Aug 24, 2015.

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  1. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    Welcome to the ADV XU Viability Ranking Thread! In case you're not familiar with the concept, we place Pokémon in certain ranks here, based on their impact on the tier as well as their general viability in the tier. How This is an excellent help while teambuilding and it serves as a general outline of the tier. If you feel that a Pokémon is misplaced, feel free to make a post about it - that's what this thread is for. As long as you are reasonably sensible and courteous this thread should run smoothly.

    Pokémon are sorted into the respective categories based on how well they perform their roles. Within each ranking Pokemon are listed alphabetically to avoid overcomplication.

    S Rank

    These Pokemon excel at their roles in the tier to such a point that they are the most dominating forces.

    [​IMG] Hitmonchan
    [​IMG] Sableye - Analysis

    A Rank

    These Pokemon are exceptional at their roles, performing significant roles in the metagame, however they are not the most dominating forces.


    A+
    [​IMG] Chimecho
    [​IMG] Haunter
    [​IMG] Mawile
    [​IMG] Vigoroth

    A
    [​IMG] Flareon
    [​IMG] Glalie
    [​IMG] Murkrow
    [​IMG] Pidgeot
    [​IMG] Relicanth
    [​IMG] Roselia

    A-
    [​IMG] Cacturne
    [​IMG] Lickitung
    [​IMG] Pelipper
    [​IMG] Plusle
    [​IMG] Raticate
    [​IMG] Sudowoodo
    [​IMG] Torkoal
    [​IMG] Whiscash

    B Rank


    These Pokemon are strong choices in the metagame, but may suffer from inconsistency due to luck or matchup much moreso than the Pokemon in the Rank above. They have larger flaws or competition from other similar Pokemon which reduce their usefulness, but they're still considered metagame staples.


    B+
    [​IMG] Arbok - Analysis
    [​IMG] Bellossom
    [​IMG] Diglett
    [​IMG] Graveler
    [​IMG] Kecleon
    [​IMG] Kingler
    [​IMG] Pupitar
    [​IMG] Swalot
    [​IMG] Tangela
    [​IMG] Venomoth

    B
    [​IMG] Golbat
    [​IMG] Metang
    [​IMG] Seadra
    [​IMG] Wailord

    B-
    [​IMG] Abra
    [​IMG] Crawdaunt
    [​IMG] Dewgong
    [​IMG] Lairon
    [​IMG] Octillery
    [​IMG] Pikachu
    [​IMG] Piloswine

    C Rank


    These Pokemon are more infrequent sights in the metagame, particularly in top level matches, but are nevertheless very viable Pokemon. They suffer from larger flaws than the Pokemon in the above rank.


    C+
    [​IMG] Houndour
    [​IMG] Machoke
    [​IMG] Magby
    [​IMG] Magcargo
    [​IMG] Minun
    [​IMG] Seviper
    [​IMG] Shelgon
    [​IMG] Tropius

    C
    [​IMG] Ariados
    [​IMG] Dunsparce
    [​IMG] Grovyle
    [​IMG] Koffing
    [​IMG] Poliwhirl
    [​IMG] Ponyta
    [​IMG] Seaking
    [​IMG] Wigglytuff

    C-
    [​IMG] Charmeleon
    [​IMG] Elekid
    [​IMG] Furret
    [​IMG] Lileep
    [​IMG] Mightyena
    [​IMG] Noctowl
    [​IMG] Quilava
    [​IMG] Shedinja
    [​IMG] Togetic
    [​IMG] Volbeat
    [​IMG] Weepinbell
    [​IMG] Yanma

    D Rank

    These Pokemon are very rare sights in top level matches, and suffer from more crippling flaws. They require a lot of support to be effective, and may have consistency issues. They may be somewhat outclassed, or present too large an opportunity cost.


    [​IMG] Anorith
    [​IMG] Beedrill
    [​IMG] Castform
    [​IMG] Dustox
    [​IMG] Ledian
    [​IMG] Masquerain
    [​IMG] Wartortle
     
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    Maybe chime should be S tier? It may not be as powerful as chan or as stall-worthy as sable, but it is arguably the best utility mon with too many sets to run and I see it run on almost every team.
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    Idk I just feel chime is quite one-dimensional and not super-versatile, it's mainly about CM/heal bell, maybe screens or toxic and that's it. Its counters never really depends much on the set. It's powerful but idk. I could move it up. I'm wondering if maybe vigoroth should be S too though; it's tricky to fit on a build but it's dangerously powerful and versatile.
     
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    Lairon seems too high because its hard to find a physical mon without access to his 4x fighting or ground weakness, and the two mons relevently below, piloswine and pikachu, well pika has the highest sp attack in the meta and base 90 speed AND access to surf for that perfect coverage when adding hp ice, so maybe that goes up, and I just like piloswine.

    I guess "i just like piloswine" isnt a good, objective reason, but still.
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    I think whiscash does a lot of the same stuff but better than Piloswine tbh, unless you really need powerful ice attacks on your side too (even toxic eq ib protect that I run on my whiscash on my torment haunter team, Whiscash does the job more efficiently, but I only need to 2HKO Pidgeot rather than anything more than that). Maybe I could move up Pikachu though, sounds sensible. Being outsped by the birds sucks for it though. Thoughts?
     
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    Cowboy Dan Host Emeritus

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    I think glalie might be a bit high, It's the best spiker in the tier but it's pretty one dimensional, and often inconsistent, everyone knows what it's gonna do so it can be played around fairly easily. It's great but A+ seems a bit much. Flareon on the other hand I think could be worthy of A+. The specially defensive set is a very important glue mon on stall teams, being one of the only true counters to haunter and sunny beamers. It's also versatile as it can go offensive on both the physical and special sides, potentially screwing over some pokes that think they are safe. Finally I don't think tangela should be higher than bellossom. Tangela's increased power and physical bulk don't really outweigh how ridiculously weak it is on the special side. Bellossom has a lot more switch in opporunities for its offensive set and can even be used in a defensive role to a much greater extent than tangela. At the minimum Bell should be moved up to A- with tangela, but I personally think Tangela should also be moved down to B+.
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    I can agree with glalie down to A, I just see it as such a key member to many teams.
    Flareon is hardly a true counter to Haunter - Kecleon, Sableye, Chimecho, Lickitung, and others can do decent jobs at it, although each have their own issues, and Flareon is still hurt by Explosion and doesn't resist Psychic/Thunderbolt. Also combinations of Pokémon together can answer it (e.g. Cacturne+Whiscash beats sets not running hp fire+giga drain which isn't really a common set anyway), and similary with the sunnybeamers. It's a good mon which can be effective both offensively (physically AND specially) as well as specially defensively, but I think that you're overrating it.

    I'll move tang down to B+, Tang's main merits is the increased speed and its physical bulk, allowing it to check threats on the physical side such as Vigoroth for an offensive team.
     
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    Cowboy Dan Host Emeritus

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    I always feel like flareon is just the safest switch in to haunter, a lot of the things you mention are afraid of (the admittedly rare) willowisp, while others such as chimecho and sableye take a fair bit more than I would like from its attacks. Flareon may not resist its attacks but with a specially defensive spread it takes fairly inconsequential damage anyway. I may have overrated it in that post but I do still believe it's a mon that always puts in work, is just a touch better than the other A rank mons, and I don't believe it is worse than a few of the A+ mons.
     
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