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HGSS Tiering Decision

Discussion in 'Tiers' started by Disaster Area, Jul 9, 2016.

  1. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    It came to my attention that the current DPP ruleset could arguably be improved, so I want to talk about and decide upon which of two competing sets of rules is superior.

    Option 1 (Current):
    - Speed-Passing Clause [Baton Pass + Speed-boosting move is an illegal move combination]
    - Sand Veil / Snow Cloak Clause [Sand Veil and Snow Cloak are banned unless a Pokémon has no alternative ability which they can run]

    Option 2:
    - Ban Gliscor
    - Limit Baton Pass to 3 members per team

    List of issues which these rulesets deal with:
    - Full Baton Pass
    - GliscorPass
    - Gliscor Sand Veil Abuse

    Pros and Cons:
    - Which option is simpler? Option 2
    - Which option has less collateral damage? Option 1
    - Does either option only use types of rules already used in other generations? Only option 2.
     
  2. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    BKC / autumn leaves' thoughts:

    [23:28:02] Kevin: option 1
    [23:28:05] Kevin: 10000000%
    [23:28:38] Kevin: 2nd one is really lame
    [23:28:41] Kevin: in every way
    [23:28:45] Kevin: shouldnt even be a contest imo

    I'll give this a day and if noone argues for option 2 then we'll just keep it as is and move onto testing latias (BKC changed his mind on stealth rock and noone else has expressed any desire to have it tested).
     
  3. george182

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    I don't think banning Gliscor would ever be correct. The sand veil/snow cloak clause is a much better way of dealing with it and when you include it as an extension of the evasion clause, it becomes a very tidy rule.

    Similarly banning baton pass + speed boosting moves solves a lot of problems with this move. Personally I'd prefer just banning the move baton pass, I don't think it's a healthy move for competitive play. This would hinder pokemon like Jolteon, who uses the move in a non toxic way, but I think that's fine in terms of collateral damage.

    Testing stealth rocks is such a massive thing, it would destabilize the meta almost as much as a new generation does. It would take over a year to re-balance everything and with the limited play time that DPP receives, it may never stabilize properly. So I really don't think banning stealth rocks is a good idea. If it was 2009, I'd have a different view.
     
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  4. ThrashNinjax

    ThrashNinjax Lets take to the Skies Host Emeritus

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    Agree with Kev for once, second option technically solves the problem but at the cost of Gliscor and leaving a hole for someone else to find another SD / Agility Passer (like Scizor maybe). First option is the way to go (maybe attach the BP limit to it but it's fine). Gliscor ban is way extreme, as its more a symptom of broken strats than the cause, and it's a good mon even without them existing.

    I also still feel like testing Latias is extreme (no SR was way more extreme as people were just nitpicking about chip damage and had huge issues with Loom, ignoring how much it could throw the tier out of whack), but if it gets enough traction I could roll with it.
     
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