GSC OU The GSC Ruleset and Tiering Process

[Ortheore]

I am extremely opposed to CurseLax and HP Electric bans as they're exactly the kind of complex bans that should be avoided where possible. We cannot afford to set a precedent for this kind of thing as it opens the potential for exceptionally complex and nitpicky banlists.

As for what you propose DA, I kinda suspect that's where we'll end up if we start with ubers and ban from there, but that's just theorymon and I feel that we really need to test this stuff before we know. Theorymon indicates that you've got a trio of Ho-oh/Celebi/Electrics checking each other yomi style, with other checks available that provide room for variance. The only concern there is that it could be a really stally meta as both Ho-oh and Celebi are pretty feeble offensively but juggernauts defensively

On that note, for those that didn't know I've begun forming a GSC tiering council, so I hope we can start converting these discussions into playtesting soon

 

[magic9mushroom]

If your answer is "we not do complex bans", i say this could be the best metagame possible speaking about centralization, and the fact that you usally don't do complex bans isn't a reason not to try them now.

No, but the same reasons we usually don't do complex bans (unintuitive, fiddly, anti-optimised) apply here.

Theorymon indicates that you've got a trio of Ho-oh/Celebi/Electrics checking each other yomi style, with other checks available that provide room for variance.

The hell is "yomi" just say RPS.

 

[Isa]

for being such a follower of the sirlin train of thought im almost disappointed you dont know what yomi is

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/7-spies-of-the-mind

 

[Disaster Area]

Yomi Layers <- also on this site, background information about the first competitive pokemon AI not made by nintendo, david stone (previously obi) is a legend/one of my few idols, and some C++ stuff if that's your sorta stuff. I've read everything not relating to the C++ at least like twice over. He's also infamous on smogon for a historic DPP stall team in the early DPP era (known as obistall).

 

[Ortheore]

The hell is "yomi" just say RPS.

I probably should have referenced the starter pokemon. Also I have moral objections to RPS, it ought to be scissor paper rock not the stupid other way around =]

 

[magic9mushroom]

for being such a follower of the sirlin train of thought im almost disappointed you dont know what yomi is

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/7-spies-of-the-mind

Understanding gained from my significant mathematical education and prodigal mathematical intuition doesn't magically give me the ability to know jargon from another language.

(Also, I learned it as scissors-paper-rock too. But the other order is the order of counters.)