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RBY OU / 1U (OverUsed) Surprise Sets

Discussion in 'Analysis and Research' started by Party Boy, May 18, 2020.

  1. Party Boy

    Party Boy Banned

    Feb 22, 2020
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    Using unorthodox moves on pokemon has won me a lot of games, but I'm getting bored of sticking counter on everything. I also realise that once people get used to my gimmicks I won't be able to fool them anymore :(

    I'm looking for unusual, gimmicky movesets (including for UU pokemon to be used in OU) - things like mega kick on Snorlax, stomp on Tauros, counter on Gengar. The weirder the better, but they have to be usable.

    Below is an example of probably the most gimmicky set I've encountered so far:


    -Thunder Wave
    -Soft Boiled

    This thing managed to spread a lot of paralysis and waste a lot of my PP.

    I also like the idea of using pokemon for a different role to what's expected, for example Hypno with meditate and headbutt/body slam.

    Any suggestions greatly appreciated :D
  2. marcoasd

    marcoasd P.I.P. PLAY IN PEACE Host Emeritus

    Jul 17, 2013
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    That's the definition of gimmicks, isn't it?

    The one piece of innovation I have seen in years is Troller's low DEF EVs Counter Alakazam so it will OHKO Snorlax when it uses Body Slam.; low EVs could work with Snorlax too.
    I don't know what's going to happen with Counter though (I've heard it could get banned, don't know much about the whole story).

    Everything else is not innovative by any means.
    I used to run Meditate Hypno back in the paraslam days: it was decent, but it doesn't work as much now and the same can be said about Clefable.
    Counter Gengar/GolDon rarely work.

    Hyper Beam/Mega Drain Exeggutor and Swords Dance users are ok, HB Starmie can work too but Egg is stealthier.
    Good old CRay+Body Slam lapras, Mimic Articuno.
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  3. Party Boy

    Party Boy Banned

    Feb 22, 2020
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    That sounds interesting - so I lower the defence EV so a pokemon takes more damage? How low does Alakazam's DEF EV need to be to OHKO Snorlax?
  4. magic9mushroom

    magic9mushroom BEST END. Member

    May 1, 2013
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    Alakazam's Defence with maxed IVs and EVs (attainable in-game, as Abra can be bought from the Rocket Game Corner) is 188.
    Alakazam's Defence can be at most 131 to have a chance of OHKOing Snorlax.
    112-115 Defence will result in a 92.3% chance of OHKOing Snorlax with Counter.
    108-111 Defence will result in a 100% chance of OHKOing Snorlax with Counter assuming it gets to deliver it, but has a 5.1% chance of being OHKOed by Snorlax's Body Slam.

    I'm not bothering to give the actual EVs because most simulators don't use real RBY EVs anyway and getting EVs this low on an actual cart is mind-numbingly tedious (it can be done, though, and it's not nearly as bad as getting 0 Atk EV via fighting over 9000 Magikarp).
    Last edited: May 19, 2020

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