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Results RBY 2U World Championship: Usage Stats

Discussion in 'Other World Championships' started by Disaster Area, Feb 5, 2017.

  1. Disaster Area

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    Spreadsheet link: here
     
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    Any reason why wins aren't included? Parasect/Butterfree are kinda baffling, and I'd love to know whether they actually won their rounds or not.
     
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    Ortheore Host Emeritus

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    I'm not sure he has that data. Personally I just told him the mons I used in my matches rather than passing logs, and I didn't specify whether or not that team won, idk what everyone else did
     
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    Oh, yeah no I'm not collecting Win data but we could have that next time. I didn't think of that!~ Btw though, Parasect won both times but Butterfree lost both times.
     
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    I'm honestly surprised Persian was used less than 30% of the time. It hits even harder in 2U than it does in 1U, it's a little bulkier, and it kills practically everything in the tier 1v1 except for Haunter and Kangaskhan. However, a crit Thunderbolt actually does, like, 36% to Haunter which isn't that bad, while Persian can actually beat Kangaskhan if you win the Counter mind games.

    Also, that Speed. The only worthwhile Pokemon that outspeeds it is Dugtrio, which can't beat Persian without a crit.

    I think Victreebel is grossly overrated in 2U. It's actually better in 1U because it outspeeds a lot more Pokemon (Snorlax, Exeggutor, Lapras, Slowbro, etc) and Razor Leaf is a more potent attack. In 2U, it's slower than almost everything, which means it's far more dependent on paralysis support than it is in 1U. Razor Leaf is still a decent attack, but it's not quite as good as it is in 1U (Tentacruel, the best Water type, isn't even weak to it thanks to being part Poison).
     
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    To me, Persian's usage seems about right. It's definitely good but it's limited in .how spammable etc. it is. On victreebel I agree it's overrated but I think it is better in 2U than in 1U by a long way, and I'm the biggest fan of 1U victreebel there is. In practice it works consistently really well in 2U, but it's not as gamebreaking as it can be when it gets going in 1U. I do feel like people slept on Tentacruel though, it's just such a good Pokemon that less than 20% usage to me is criminal under-use; it's the best Pokemon at single-handedly taking a game back and only has a small set of checks in the tier to begin with.

    Clef and Vap were also a bit overused; I think with anything that got below around 15 uses though it's a bit hard to really judge how they really compare with eachother due to the sample size.
     
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    Yeah, Tentacruel is a beast in 2U. Only Kadabra outspeeds it, but it tends to get paralyzed often anyway. It's definitely one of the best Pokemon in the tier, and arguably better than other A ranks.

    Vic is appealing for two reasons: Wrap and double powder. As a wrapper it's totally outclassed by Tentacruel because of the latter's vastly superior Speed and Special. Double powder is nice, but Hypno can do the same thing albeit with a less accurate Hypnosis. Still, Thunder Wave is much more reliable than Stun Spore and Hypno is better than Vic in pretty much every conceivable way.

    I disagree that Persian is limited. Haunter is the only Pokemon that walls it, but as I pointed out before, a crit Thunderbolt actually takes away more than a third of its health. I had no problems abusing Persian and I was the one who won the tournament. In a way it's kind of like a Dugtrio that will always crit and doesn't have any exploitable weaknesses. It's still not that bulky, but it isn't 2HKOd in 2U as easily it is in 1U, which certainly makes a difference.

    I don't see the appeal in Vaporeon at all. I guess the bulk is nice, but it's too slow and it can't single-handedly rescue you from defeat like Tentacruel often does. Clefable, on the other hand, is actually quite good in 2U if only because it's a reliable paralysis spreader thanks to its respectable bulk. An amazing movepool is also nice, which includes fun toys like Sing and Counter. Whenever I used Clefable it always performed well.
     
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    The thing with the Hypno vs Bel thing is that imo Hypno would much rather run Rest on its moveset in order to become more of a force in Psychic-Psychic matchups, and using Bel is the easiest way to free up that moveslot. Also Bel's Wrap is fundamentally different to Tenta's- Tenta threatens to sweep while Bel secures switches for stuff like Don. The thing there is that Bel has some defensive utility (pretty limited tho), while Tenta has virtually none
     
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    Persian has that use rate because Kangaskhan is the normal of choice, which means you want to run both which is doable obviously, but you'd rather have teams that can do various things in a tier like 2U. "Non spammable" is key as da said, switching into Kangaskhan is annoying enough.

    Victreebel is awesome and by no means underrated imo, it's a great (the best?) Raichu check, tt can switch okayishly against Gyarados, once against Rhydon (something not a lot of mons can do) and will always do something once it's in, status, hit something hard with leaf (not a lot likes it), pivot with wrap...It's very reliable generally speaking. Wrap is the only thing it has in common with Tenta, otherwise they're just not the same pokes at all. I agree this Tenta usage is low though, maybe because some people felt it was hard playing with it idk.
     
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    Sorry, but I disagree with mostly everything both of you said. Tentacruel DOES have a bit of defensive utility: it's one of the only Pokemon that can safely switch into itself. Victreebel hates Blizzard, while everything else hates Surf and despises Hydro Pump. Tentacruel can take all of these attacks with near impunity thanks to its insanely high Special stat (I guess a crit Hydro Pump might scratch a little). With that said, it can also switch into Blizzards and Surfs from Clefable, Gyarados, etc, and then Wrap them, utilizing the same kind of defensive pivoting but often with much greater efficacy.

    Using Persian and Kangaskhan is not only feasible, but produces maximum offensive potential. Since nothing in this tier except Hypno and, to an extent, Clefable is bulky, it's a lot easier to spread paralysis. I found great success with my Kangaskhan/Persian team, which was both easy to use and highly effective. I don't think not being "spammable" is a strong detractor for Persian. Even though it can't switch into much, it's still one of the best revenge killers in the tier and can single-handedly kill several Pokemon 1v1 because of its blazing Speed. It's funny that Kangaskhan has always been considered TaurosJr, but I feel that Persian fits that description more in 2U in that it can't take hits that well, but is a crit machine. I'm sorry, but Persian is definitely A-rank to me.

    Rest definitely isn't a requirement on Hypno; rather, the decision to run Rest or another status inflicting attack depends on your team's structure. I only used two teams in the World Championship, the first of which had a lead Hypno with Psychic/Thunder Wave/Hypnosis/Seismic Toss. I didn't run Rest because I wanted to maximize the offensive potential of the team, so having both sleep and paralysis were key. I DID use Rest Hypno on my other team because it was designed to spread as much paralysis as possible, thus longevity played an important role in achieving that goal.

    I guess Victreebel can switch into Raichu, but at the expense of taking paralysis, which it despises. Also, IIRC Raichu's Hyper Beam can do almost 43%, which means a crit is pretty much a guaranteed kill even after two Thunderbolts.
     
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