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Should accuracy-lowering moves be unbanned?

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Mantishuffle

Mantishuffle

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I don't think every exploder becomes broken. Electrode and Gengar have their low stats. The poison types and Onix are pretty bad, but Snorlax is definitely a problem.

Yeah I could see Explosion being unhealthy. The game would be more offensive but Snorlax would be too centralizing. Really self-KO clause is there because of Snorlax. Still, it doesn't hurt to talk about these things. Besides I still think there are sets to deal with Snorlax with Selfdestruct that can also handle other threats.

Since this is gen 1 we have to account for the lack of protections that exist in future gens like abilities, hold items, and 3 other types so 1v1 here will be different. If only the user fainted after breaking a Substitute with Explosion!

I haven't played so what seems to be relevant? The Snorlax set mentioned here seems pretty solid with PP stall potential. Sandslash with Swords Dance beats it. Pokémon that can tank Thunder could try to stall it out or freeze it. Seems to me like the game is about finding a set that can at least stall most targets if it cannot beat them outright. Then there is always luck.

Ch01W0n5h1n beat me to posting the Victreebel set!
 
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EvanRBY

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Snorlax (ThunderLax)

-thunder
-amnesia
-hyperbeam
-rest


beats everything that isn't Goldon or glitched tox/leech seed eggs
(RBY IS BROKEN is my alt)
 
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EvanRBY

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hyperbeam beats leer tauros and victreebel

raticate and hitmonlee do win, but who is actually bringing those? they lose to so much

and ice beam lax would win, but i feel like ice beam lax loses to a lot
 
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Enigami

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EvanRBY said:
hyperbeam beats leer tauros and victreebel
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Snorlax needs 3 turns to KO Tauros ands Victreebel using HB > recharge > HB, which means:

Tauros uses Leer
Tauros uses Body Slam (179-211 damage)
Tauros uses Hyper Beam (314-370 damage)
Total damage: 493 - 581 (Snorlax's HP is 523), about 2/3 chance of KO (guaranted KO if Body Slam crit), meaning Snorlax generally loses that matchup.

Victreebel uses Razor Leaf (151-178)
Victreebel uses Razor Leaf (151-178)
Victreebel uses Hyper Beam (218-257)
Total damage: 520 - 613 (Snorlax's HP is 523), just about guaranteed KO, meaning Snorlax almost always loses.
Oops, calc'd that with -1 Snorlax (from calcing Leer Tauros), nevermind HB Lax wins that. If that Snorlax set became standard however, Vic could easily start running Reflect.

Counter Nidoqueen (something I feel is a strong option for 4th move because she needs it for the Persian matchup) beats it too. Screech Persian has a chance to beat it with Screech > Screech > HB, but is dependent on Snorlax missing Thunder so that Thorlax does have the matchup advantage there.

Additionally, Ice Beam Chansey, particularly Defense Curl / Reflect Chansey, has the advantage as I mentioned further up the thread.

I'm sure I could find a few more too, so no that set is hardly a "beats everything that isn't Goldon or glitched tox/leech seed eggs"
 
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Eseque

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Also, that set already is the standard and we already had a discussion where someone (me) said Thorlax was only beat by Exeggutor and then other people said other things it was beaten by.
 
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EvanRBY

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Thorlax deals 40% with thunder to a para'd chansey, essentially a less accurate bslam. Chansey isn't exactly safe against it
And Tauros isn't a guarantee

Thorlax is best lax set imo
And I think it beats the widest range of likely matchups

I'm not familiar with counter nidoqueen, how's it fair against other matchups, I feel like it gets beat by a lot of things
 
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Thorlax needs 3 turns of Amnesia to deal that 40%, then needs a 70% accurate move to inflict a 10% status just for the chance to break Chansey, while Ice Beam Chansey can just spam 99.6% accurate Ice Beams from the beginning. Not good odds for Snorlax. Toxic Stall Chansey is a different story, it can't win through Toxic, Rest won't make Chansey faster after taking paralysis and as a last resort should Snorlax run out of Thunder PP it could try for a crit Hyper Beam.

It being able to beat Tauros is relevant, but the odds favor Tauros considerably for Thorlax to match up poorly against it.

Agreed on that HB Thorlax probably being its best set, but not some broken unbeatable thing, just strong.

There is also a slim chance of beating Eggs, Hyper Beam > Recharge > Hyper Beam. Gives you 2 ~6% chance crits that have a 70% chance to KO Eggy, and if you crit and fail to KO with the initial HB the second one should finish it off. Haven't played it out, but there may be more chances for HB assuming ToxicSeed, while if Eggy goes for Psychic, Lax can't survive longer than 4 turns.

Nidoqueen's pretty much an Electric hard-counter that has a small chance to hax past any matchup except Articuno, whereas Goldon has practically no chance in bad matchups.
 
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P5726

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People are forgetting the obvious: Hypnosis + Dream Eater!!!

Gengar and Hypno would be OP. Gengar is the fastest sleeper and Hypno has no weakness. Even Mewtwo and Mew would be at their mercy (especially at Hypno's), since they can be killed in 4/5 turns with Seismic Toss/Night Shade. In fact I doubt Mewtwo or Mew would even be that powerful if switches aren't allowed since they can't put anything to sleep. Anything which has a sleep move would be at a decisive advantage. Mewtwo or Mew can be paralyzed and revenge killed quite easily.
 
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