Community PPL 2 Discussion

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I want to talk about PPL (Pokemon Perfect League). Mister Tim encouraged me to have it again this year, so I think let's go for it. First thing's first is I definitely wanna hear your thoughts, concerns, opinions, etc. The first PPL didn't go super smoothly, but we've grown a fair bit in the meantime (and the amount of signups to the latest seasons is a very positive sign), in addition to the revamp to the medal system and the increased consistency in the season format.

For those not familiar with the League format, there are 6 or more Teams, represented by one of the Pokemon Types, with a Manager who 'purchases' the members of his team. The manager is given a sum of virtual money with which they are to 'purchase' their players; they can opt for a smaller total if they wish to play themselves.

Important things to discuss:
  • When? Obviously, seasons are pretty much year round on PP, whilst World Championship, and in RBY, International League and the Cups, so co-ordination wise, to have a good amount of activity probably involves how it coincides with major off-site tournaments (SPL, WCOP, RoAPL, etc.)
  • What Tiers?
On the note of tiers, this is my proposal:
Each week we could have
  • RBY 1U (bo3)
  • GSC 1U (bo3)
  • ADV 1U (bo3)
  • HGSS 1U (bo3)
  • RBY 2U + RBY 3U + RBY 4U
  • Random Meta (TBD in advance: discuss what metas to use beforehand, exact list of metagames will be released at player signups)
Note that due to requiring at least 1 substitute, this would mean each team would be required to have a minimum of 7 Players. I think that the expected value of a player should be consistent across the years, so an expected player value is 10k, meaning that managers will start with 70k, with the option to instead start with 60k and be counted as one of the players in their team (i.e. they are able to play in matches rather than just purchase and manage the team)

Retainment:
Should we have retainment from PPL 1? I'm erring against it but I'm all ears to discussion on this. I want retention to be more heavily involved so I want to design a retention system that increases player fidelity to a team (more similarity year on year).

My ideas:
- No limit on the number of players that can be retained
- Price of retaining a player is 10k or the price previously paid + 2k (whichever is higher). This is important to eventually force top players to be let go, but for them to have longer term team fidelity. Maybe make the price just the price from the previous tournament IF that player has zero medals whatsoever?
- A proportion of remaining funds passed onto the subsequent year. Either 3/5 * remaining funds, or 3k, whichever is lower, is passed onto the subsequent year. So it's a small bonus but it increases the cash flow just a little making retains a bit more affordable. As a consequence though, later introduced teams would recieve a slightly increased initial funds for their first PPL as a consequence.

Part of this idea is to have it like football (or whatever sport u like) teams, where players who even aren't good enough yet to be on a team can choose a team to support (the idea of a type is since there's not really anything we can tie the teams down to like a location, it's best to use them since there's plenty of them and most (new) players have a favourite). Throwing in plenty of retention and this becomes more feasible imo.

One thing I definitely want to do next time is to work with the managers more: make sure that they're clear on when they're available, make sure they understand how tournaments like this work (both the mechanics of it and roughly the concept behind how the auction works, auction strategy, etc.).

If you'd be interested in managing a team (whether or not you did last time) feel free to post that in here too btw :) also if you're hype drop a like~ Players who are decently active on the forum are obviously going to be higher priority picks for manager.
 
1. We can start playing it near end of Season 11 or 12, SPL should be ended and only POWC will start.
2. Stop trying to put violet\rby2\3\4\5\v in this kind of tours, coz it's interesting for 4-6 players, lets put bw2 and oras.
3.Dont do PPL thread in "Touraments" subforum, it looks like that this is unofficial, mb we should get official subforum for PPL, World Championships, International League and all other tours which are cross-gens and can be played for all tiers(like smogon classic subforum mb)
 
Having a 2U/3U/4U spot EVERY week might be a bit heavy since the playerbase is small (but tbf if you're good at 1U it won't take you long to get the feel of those tiers). Since pp is a lot about rby maybe have 2 rby 1U spots per week + rotating meta where you'd put lower tiers. This way you can add Oras 1U and smth else (maybe a second adv spot since right now it has more sign ups than rby lol). Like don't get me wrong I obviously love low tiers and would be happy to see the playerbase grow but having so much lower tiers games means you'll probably have a lot of players who never played them and who didn't rly want to play them but since that with 6 teams you'll need 18 different players playing lower tiers you might end up with a lot of players who might be frustrated/unhappy/unmotivated to play etc. I think I'd stick with the lower tiers being in rotating meta (and maybe next year if the playerbase grows thanks to this ppl and other stuff, we're seeing new 5u players which is nice we'll be able to slowly integrate the lower tier to a weekly basis)

Also y since last ppl didn't go too well mainly due to activity issues I agree with Huston when he says that this ppl should be considered a fresh start
 
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Here's an alternative idea for the tiers:

2x RBY 1U / GSC 1U / ADV 1U / HGSS 1U

also Tim suggested opening signups at the start of the final week of SPL; thoughts?
imma make it this unless anyone objects. (signups would open early march)
 
do u think it's possible to get bw2 up by march. i'm extensively knowledgeable in the tier and could help with the tiering of bw2 u1
maaaaybe. Would need to see a conceited effort to see it happen, but yea it's unlikely it would be done by then. Would be very happy if u would be keen to start at it tho! Have a look in the Tiers forum, there's been a couple of threads on it
 
Since the idea of retention is being thrown around, I'd like to say that I'm not interested in being a manager again as I'd prefer to not be involved in administrative aspects of Pokemon. I only want to focus on playing.
 
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I think April is a good time for PPL. The only big tour at this time is POWC, maybe some unofficials PL's like Ubers PL, but I guess it doesnt matter at all. I also think we should play gen 1-6 (or at least gen 1-5) 1U + one 2U and one 1P match every week.
I mean we don't have a BW2 1U tier formed yet... and it's unlikely unless there was a really conceited effort for it to happen, that it would be done by then. Also there's not much of a playerbase for ORAS 1U atm. GSC 2U and HGSS 2U would be fairly newly formed by that time, ORAS 2U is pretty much untested, ADV 2U is undertested, and the format doesnt seem super logical to me. The only lower tiers that are really tournament-ready are RBY 2U / 3U / 4U which have a bit too limited of a pool of players for this sort of tournament (especially when players of these tiers almost always play RBY 1U really well too).

I think reintroducing rotation metagames is a really nice idea in later iterations, but when there's a small pool of players to begin with and the teams are fairly small (compare PPL vs SPL in terms of team size), and rotation metagames are problematic and difficult to get functioning.
 
and what about 1P?
I mean it's possible I guess but we have more regular RBY 2U / 3U / 4U than RBY 1P etc. on here etc.

I think they have a place in future PPL's but not this one
 

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CALLOUS has announced to me privately that he's choosing not to play.

So there's no confusion here... NOT quitting the event or anything like that. I'm super pumped about it and have been doing a ton of talking to and preparation and all that good stuff. Very much intending to win this event. I'm merely choosing to only manage and not participate as a player. This decision was made very largely because I do not want to take a spot away from someone else. I want as many people as possible involved in this event as I believe that is in the best interest in the short term, and long term, of Pokemon Perfect. I want this community to grow.
 
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