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RBY 4U (Under3U) Nidoqueen [GP Ready]

Discussion in 'Individual Analyses' started by Peasounay, Mar 29, 2016.

  1. Peasounay

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    Nidoqueen [​IMG] [​IMG][​IMG]
    Type: Ground / Poison
    Stats: 90 | 82 | 87 | 75 | 76


    Introduction

    Nidoqueen should always be runned alongside Nidoking since there’s close to no reason to use it over the former. The main differences are that Nidoqueen has less power, more bulk, but is slower, being outspeed by Blastoise and Staryu which is a big deal. In a tier where Nidoking is a top-pokemon, having a (close to) second one is viable. It can allow you to be looser with your Nidoking or to keep it fresher for the endgame. Though running both stacks Water and Psychic weakness, so pairing them with pokemon such as Slowpoke is a good idea.

    Mixed Attacker

    Nidoqueen
    - Earthquake
    - Thunderbolt
    - Fire Blast
    - Substitute / Blizzard

    Set Details

    The set is the same as Nidoking’s. It covers everything. Thunderbolt hits the common Waters Blastoise, Slowpoke, and Staryu. Fire Blast takes care of Venomoth and Tangela, while Earthquake heavily hits everything else and is the move you should mainly be spamming. The last slot doesn’t matter a lot since you won’t use it too much, the more consistent options being Blizzard and Substitute. Blizzard has a better accuracy than Fire Blast for Grass types, and more power than Thunderbolt for the rare Flying types. Substitute can give you a free hit against a paralysed mon or an inaccurate move. You can use a bunch of other moves in that slot, and if you have a Nidoking you can probably be a bit looser.

    Other Options

    For the last slot you can use Counter mainly against Scyther or Explosions.. Body Slam can eventually spread paralysis notably to Venomoth but is pretty poor. Rock Slide hits Scyther harder than other moves but doesn’t OHKO.

    Checks and Counters

    The main differences between the two Nidos are that Blastoise and Staryu actually outspeed Nidoqueen, giving them the ability to force it out more easily. Before trying to handle Nidoqueen, be aware that anything you use against it is a tool you lose to handle Nidoking.

    Venomoth doesn’t get 2HKOd by Earthquake, outspeeds, and can threat to sleep, paralyse, or use Psychic. Tangela can also take the Earthquake and threat to sleep or paralyse. If you paralyse it, it’ll be way easier to handle, but it’s something that rarely happens. If at some point during the match you think your opponent is gonna predict you to Thunder Wave with pokemon such as Porygon or Slowpoke, it can be good to take a risk and use Psychic, since it puts Nidoqueen in the range of your Nidoking (about half the time with Porygon). Unparalysed Porygon can switch-in Earthquake but has to watch-out for a critical hit.Abra rarely gets OHKOed by Earthquake, meaning it can go one on one and threat to 2HKO. Other switch-ins exist, such as Machamp, which isn’t 3HKOed by Earthquake and can come in and threat to 2HKO, though it's a mediocre pokemon to use in general. Seadra outspeeds and 2HKOs. Omastar can’t switch-in apart on a Fire Blast but has 35.9% chance of OHKOing with Hydro Pump.
     
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    Since it takes on Scyther better than Nidoking, maybe it's a better option to run Counter here?
     
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    Blizzard and Fire Blast do more damage in average than a countered Slash
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    true but note that counter may do more damage to a possible switch-in if scyther switches out
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    With the Bubblebeam rediscovery, should Bubblebeam have a spot on the set or in OO? It gives it a better shot at beating nidoking 1v1 than anything else.
     
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    I think so. Blizzard is listed as a primary set option when the only thing that hits is Pidgeot. Fire Blast is perfectly good for Scyther and Grass-types, Blizzard is mostly for freeze hax and 5% more accuracy. BubbleBeam can also help with the usual Venomoth switch in to Earthquake vs. Nidoking, as BubbleBeam > Speed Drop > Fire Blast > Fire Blast lets Nidoqueen beat Venomoth on the switch unless Venomoth has Sleep Powder available.

    Edit: Oh, also another discovery: Nidoqueen only has a 12.8% chance to OHKO Abra with Earthquake without factoring crits, so BubbleBeam helps by bumping that up to an effective 33.2% chance as BubbleBeam gets that bit of chip damage for Earthquake to KO and Abra at -1 is slower. On the other hand, you could also get that with Body Slam which permanently cripples Abra, but Body Slam > Paralyze > Earthquake doesn't do enough damage to KO Nidoking and is dependent on crits or full paralysis to win 1v1.
     
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