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RBY 2P-L (Pre-2U) Leads

Discussion in 'Tiers' started by Disaster Area, Jul 9, 2015.

  1. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

    May 4, 2014
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    What works as a lead in RBY UU? This metagame is new, although similar to some previous played tiers.

    Sleepers and Base Speed
    Haunter [Hypnosis] - 95
    Venomoth [Sleep Powder] - 90
    Venusaur [Sleep Powder] - 80
    Butterfree [Sleep Powder] - 70
    Victreebel [Sleep Powder] - 70
    Hypno [Hypnosis] - 67
    Clefable [Sing] - 65
    Tangela [Sleep Powder] - 60
    Vileplume [Sleep Powder] - 50
    Exeggcute [Sleep Powder] - 40
    Parasect [Spore] - 30

    Notable other Pokemon and Base Speed:
    Electrode - 140
    Aerodactyl - 130
    Dugtrio - 120
    Persian - 115
    Electabuzz - 105
    Kadabra - 105
    Rapidash - 105
    Charizard - 100
    Dodrio - 100
    Ninetales - 100
    Raichu - 100
    Tentacruel - 100
    Raticate - 97
    Arcanine - 95
    Kangaskhan - 90
    Moltres - 90
    Mr. Mime - 90
    Articuno - 85
    Golduck - 85
    Nidoking - 85
    Gyarados - 81
    Arbok - 80
    Kabutops - 80
    Nidoqueen - 76
    Kingler - 75
    Dewgong - 70
    Onix - 70
    Poliwrath - 70
    Flareon - 65
    Sandslash - 65
    Vaporeon - 65
    Weezing - 60
    Rhydon - 40
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2015
  2. Ortheore

    Ortheore Host Emeritus

    May 16, 2013
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    I'm only theorymonning at this point, but Hypno, Haunter, Venusaur all stand out as top leads for their sleeping capabilities. Kadabra would also be good, but idk if you want it as sleep fodder. Dugtrio and Zard also seem interesting options

    Edit: had a couple battles with DA, Raichu is a pretty cool lead.
    Other 1st impressions are that Articuno is a beast, easily the tier's #1 threat from what I've seen so far, Twave immunity is as fantastic as ever, Bel is easy to fit onto teams but its speed tier is just rly awkward

    Belated edit 2: Don't lead Raichu, Electabuzz outclasses it as a lead
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2015
  3. froggy25

    froggy25 Member

    Jan 16, 2015
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    I think Venomoth (which was the best lead in the old UU imo) won't be used as much as before with Kadabra and Haunter being there.

    I think the lead spot will often be Haunter / Kadabra / Dugtrio / Hypno and sometimes Tangela
  4. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

    May 4, 2014
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    I think dugtrio looks workable as a lead, as it eats up haunter and kadabra, but it struggles with hypno, and lets in threats such as articuno in for pretty much free, still being a niche option. Persian maybe too but it's pretty useless versus Haunter.
  5. Lutra

    Lutra Site Founder Owner

    Nov 2, 2011
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    In the old PP BL/UU, I used Articuno lead to success. It ended up KOing haunter one time with hypnosis misses (I suppose normally it's a bad matchup for articuno though).

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