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ADV OU (OverUsed) Jirachi [WIP]

Discussion in 'Individual Analyses' started by ThrashNinjax, Feb 4, 2016.

  1. doom desire misses noSTAB

    doom desire misses noSTAB Member

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    OK thanks, it's a pretty convoluted move since its intermingling defense and HP stats from potentially different pokemon. I get it now that you bring it up. Most other moves work with our understanding of knowing that X pokemon has base Y HP and base Z Defense. So it's going to be hard to compare its "% damage" potential with "normal" moves in which you know will hit or miss the turn they are used. (Is Future Sight any different I wonder?)

    To lump Tyranitar in w/ Blissey and Snorlax is not right to showcase that point, then, originally, if that was the intent. Tyranitar has a rather high defense stat. Even Snorlax has a lot higher of an actual defense stat than Blissey.

    Yeah it's cool if you use Doom Desire when an opposing "low defense stat" pokemon (e.g. Blissey) is out and then when it actually hits maybe there is something with a higher defense stat out (e.g. Swampert) but w/ substantially lower HP stat so it is actually doing really good % damage; and when it (e.g. Swampert) gets hit, its defense actually means nothing.

    Well it goes both ways then...using Doom Desire on a Skarm/Meta/Forretress when they're active would be underwhelming -- especially if a high HP pokemon like Blissey or Snorlax end up being the active pokemon to take the hit. I would also argue that Snorlax, Tyranitar, Flygon, Swampert, Claydol, and pivoting in something like CB Mence/Meta on a set-up move are going to be better switch-ins to Jirachi than Blissey. Blissey is an OK check at best as it is easily demolished by a lot of Jirachi. Only in the vacuum of the Blissey being CM itself and/or the Jirachi not being CM Psychic w/ Sand up would it make sense as a more confident switch-in to Jirachi. But cool "trick" I suppose when you can do 350+ Hit Points worth of damage.

    Which makes me wonder...how is anyone honestly planning 2-3 moves ahead for it to work out to be worth using, though? And it could miss! [Yeah you feel good that you might be strategizing a way to get damage on something that would usually avoid it, or kill something when it has to possibly take 2 attacks in one turn. Show me that replay. And you're only showing me 85% of the time. Haha. I could get behind it a little more with actual proven synergies but I am failing to see any surefire ways it will work since the battle is spanning many turns -- there are going to be a lot of variables.] It would be nice to get a confirmation message on the turn you use Doom Desire that says "it will hit" or "it will miss" but alas you'll just have to wait to find out - LOLOLOL.

    You can't stack multiple of them in a row, so there is no cleaning with it. CB Jirachi is just for the thrill and those rare instances you can say that "Doom Desire worked awesome!". Body Slam para @ 60% w/ enhanced damage and a good sand-immune typing is about the only thing cool about it. I see people running HP Fighting on non-CB Jirachi and Porygon2 now, for what it's worth. That's telling me you don't have to run CB Jirachi unless you want to get real crazy. Liking the Leftovers too much on normal Jirachi sets and the ability to switch attacks - let alone the damage CB does with no STAB is going to be pathetic usually.

    I think most of my other points made sense 3 years ago and I'll stick to them.
     
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  2. magic9mushroom

    magic9mushroom BEST END. Member

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    Yeah, the mention of Ttar there doesn't make much sense (the guy's known for making mechanics mistakes in analyses; he might have thought it did SE damage). Just figured I'd point out the quirk.

    EDIT: Also, the "Inquisition" thing is probably an obscure reference to Monty Python and the line "No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition!" implying people would not expect Choice Band Jirachi.
     
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