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HGSS DPP Gym Leaders Guide, Part 2 [WIP]

Discussion in 'Analysis and Research' started by ThrashNinjax, Sep 27, 2016.

  1. ThrashNinjax

    ThrashNinjax Lets take to the Skies Host Emeritus

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    Gym Leader 5: Crasher Wake
    Team: Gyarados Lv 33, Quagsire Lv 34, Floatzel Lv 37
    What to watch out for: The entire team has it's own bit of threatening - Keep an eye on Gyarados' STAB Waterfall, which is not only super powerful but can also flinch, and Quagsire's Yawn, both of which can give Wake a bit of breathing room to heal or put on damage. Also be sure to keep your HP high when facing Floatzel or you might be picked off by Brine or Aqua Jet.
    Good selections: You probably want a mix of mons as Wake has adequate coverage for both Grass and Electric types, that said one of both is usually enough - Torterra, Roserade and Tangrowth (which is probably the best choice as its stupidly good bulk means nothing Wake has can really hurt it) all work for Grasses, while Luxray and / or Jolteon are good Electrics - Jolteon is probably the better one as it outruns Floatzel, which could end up being clutch. Something like Porygon2, which is naturally bulky and gets good coverage options, or a fast attacker like Gengar or Alakazam, can work nicely if you have nothing else.
    Pro-tips: Remember that TM you got for beating Gardenia? Well, now's as good a time as ever to bust it out - it shreds Quagsire, while hurting Gyarados and Floatzel a decent amount too. You can also buy the TM for Thunder at the Veilstone Department store, and, well, it's as good a time as ever for that too. Other pro-tips, hmm: watch Floatzel's Ice Fang, which does damage to water types, and don't try to switch out of it cause Pursuit. Lastly, something like Quagsire with Water Absorb, or Empoleon can do nicely for you, as Wake's team doesn't have the coverage or power to put damage on it.
    Overall difficulty: 5. Threatening if you're doing a Nuzlocke, don't have the right team, or are just plain unlucky, but like Maylene, there's options galore.

    Gym Leader 6: Byron
    Team: Magneton Lv 37, Steelix Lv 38, Bastiodon Lv 40
    What to watch out for: Um, as long as you don't throw a water type in front of Magneton or a Golem in front of Steelix you should be fine. Also be sure to OHKO Bastiodon otherwise it could shred something with Metal Burst (but its got two 4x weaknesses to super-common attacking types so...whatevs)
    Good selections: Every starter works because they're strong and resist steel. Fighting types shred, so do ground types (and as mentioned last time you should have Earthquake)...basically you really can't lose to this gym unless you're bad.
    Pro-tips: Honestly, just spam Fire / Fighting / Ground move (you have to have at least one of these by now), and win. Easiest Gym in Sinnoh :)
    Overall difficulty: 1. At least Roark had the early game on his side in that you'd still be trying to figure things out and might not have the right moves.

    Candice:
    Pokemon: Sneasel Lv 40, Piloswine Lv 42, Abomasnow Lv 43, Froslass Lv 44
    What to watch out for: Froslass abuses Snow Cloak and Double Team, while Piloswine and Abomasnow hit hard and have good coverage. Also watch the hail as damage can rack up if Froslass per se manages to prolong the fight via evasion.
    Mons to bring: Fire and Fighting types are key - keep in mind Froslass is immune to fighting. Steel types work as auxiliaries however they may get pressured by Piloswine and Abomasnow due to EQ / Focus Blast respectively. Houndoom outruns Piloswine and Aboma and walls the other two. Other options are Infernape, Lucario, Magneton, etc.
    Pro-tips: Fast attackers to hit Candice's weaknesses, as Sneasel is too weak to damage them. Dark types also put heavy pressure on Froslass - Faint Attack allows you to ignore its evasion bs, but doesn't get good distribution (Umbreon?)
    Overall difficulty: 4-5, cause Hail is stupid.

    Volkner: Watch the coverage again, especially fire moves on Luxray and Electivire, Focus Blast on Raichu and Iron Tail on Jolteon, none of them are THAT powerful though. Also ensure you hit fast otherwise Raichu / Jolt might get enough Charge Beam boosts to sweep.
    Mons to bring: Ground types, Gastrodon for example is immune to everything Volkner can throw at it. Garchomp, Torterra and Rhyperior work nicely, even Gliscor works in a pinch cause high PhysDef. Tangrowth is a cool dark-horse option because it has really high PhysDef and resists Electric. Keep in mind all of these can get shredded by miscellaneous coverage moves, so keep your eyes and serebii open.
    Pro-Tips: If you haven't gotten / used the EQ TM, bust it out here - you don't even need a ground type for it to do damage. Aside from that this is one of the gyms that's easier to plow through with just heavy hitters (cause Volkner's team has middling speed and lowish defenses). Swords Dance is another cool trick that allows you to boost a weaker attacker (like Gliscor), and ignore Luxray's Intimidate (should it have it) - you just have to find something that can't hurt the SDer and let rip.
    Overall difficulty: 7 because this game just happens to hate you.
     
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    Conni turn your magic on Member

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    Hopefully that isn't all you will write for Byron xD
    But seriously, please do give a sufficient detailed one for Byron, he isn't as easy as it seems. Also you can add the guides for the E4, Cyrus, Rival and Champion in this one or a part 3 if you want, it's up to you.
     
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    ThrashNinjax Lets take to the Skies Host Emeritus

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    Eh, idk, Byron is tough on paper but in practice practically everything blows through him, and unlike Maylene or Wake per se there's like zero chance of him being able to do anything back. Made the analysis a little more serious though.

    Pointers for Candice (in case someone wants to fill it out for me incase I can't come on) - Froslass abuses Snow Cloak and Double Team, Piloswine and Aboma hit hard and have good coverage. Also watch the hail as damage can rack up if Froslass per se manages to prolong the fight.
    Mons to bring: Fire and Fighting types, keep in mind Froslass is immune to fighting. Steel moves work as an auxiliary. Better to use Fighter vs Piloswine as no Ground weak. Mag is also an interesting option b/c of ice resist, bulk and damage output.
    Pro-tips: Fast attackers to hit Candice's weaknesses, as Sneasel is too weak to damage them. Dark types also put heavy pressure on Froslass (Houndoom walls it)
    Overall difficulty: 4-5, cause Hail is stupid.

    Volkner: Watch the coverage again, especially fire moves on Luxray and Electivire, Focus Blast on Raichu and Iron Tail on Jolteon, none of them are THAT powerful though. Also ensure you hit fast otherwise Raichu / Jolt might get enough Charge Beam boosts to sweep.
    Mons to bring: Ground types, Gastrodon for example is immune to everything Volkner can throw at it. Garchomp, Torterra and Rhyperior work nicely, even Gliscor works in a pinch cause high PhysDef
    Pro-Tips: If you haven't gotten / used the EQ TM, bust it out here - you don't even need a ground type for it to do damage. Tangrowth is a cool dark-horse option because it has really high PhysDef and resists Electric.
    Overall difficulty: 7 because I wiped here (mostly cause my Tangrowth and Gabite never made it here cause of the same bs hax that cost me this fight and my nuzlocke run...).

    Cheerio, if I can get on this weekend I'll fill it out, if not other people are free to do it for me. Will put up the other two sections (recurring bosses - Galactic admins, Cyrus, the Rival etc., and the E4 section) later
     
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    Conni turn your magic on Member

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    I went ahead and did this for you.

    You might want to fix the formatting and I can spot out major grammar issues so just watch out for that
     
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    ThrashNinjax Lets take to the Skies Host Emeritus

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    Yeah I'm aware there's grammar issues it was really just a brain-dump for someone else use for info to put in, thanks for copying it over though. Will thresh it out sometime.
     
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    ThrashNinjax Lets take to the Skies Host Emeritus

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    Hate to double post but I just wanted to point this out, I'd really like some other advice for the Gym leaders - stuff like what I mentioned on the last part about how Umbreon walls Fantina, how Houndoom cleans house against Candice, or how Tangrowth clutches up nicely in a lot of scenarios - I'm pretty sure that there's a lot of cool stuff like this to put in the pro-tips section that I haven't heard of (because it'd take me way too much time to try everything that can be tried), and if anyone knows or even just hypothesises something good please mention it. Thanks
     
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    Sobi hi Member

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    ThrashNinjax

    Can you make sure the formatting is consistent with the previous edition please? Pokemon and gym leader icons should be added, as well as the same spacing between headings. It'll save me a lot of time, thanks.
     
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    ThrashNinjax Lets take to the Skies Host Emeritus

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    Things are fine, I want more topic-specific input though (cause as stated before I know there's stuff I'm missing), but yeah the major formatting issues are dealt with.
     
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    Sans please give this a look over
     
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    Wake
    -Mention Floatzel's Ice Fang and it's effects
    -You wouldn't be able to get Porygon2 that early in the game
    -Mention Gyarados' Brine, and how it can be dangerous due to it's power doubling

    Byron
    -Mention Magneton's type coverage and it's high neutral special damage due to a high SpA stat, also mention Tri Attack's status chances
    -Mention Steelix's Ice Fang if running Torterra
    -Bastiodon can bulk itself with Iron Defense so mention to defeat it quickly

    Candice
    -Mention that Sneasel can be a nuisance as it is fast and annoying, but the easiest to deal with
    -Mention Empoleon's usefulness in this gym, but write how it needs to be careful of Focus Blast
    -Mention how Faint/Feint Attack can be very useful against evasion abusing Froslass

    Volkner
    -Gastrodon is neutral to Ice Fang by Luxray and Volkner has a lot of strong physical attacks so it isn't immune to everything
    -Gliscor needs to watch out for Ice Fang, write this
    -Rhyperior needs to watch out for Jolteon's Iron Tail and Raichu's Focus Blast
    -Mention Torterra's usefulness and it needs to watch out for Ice Fang and Fire Punch

    Implement the above ThrashNinjax and this should be good for GP, nice job btw
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    Conni turn your magic on Member

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    Also reminder, also add the sprite formatting like Sobi did with part 1, that'll save his time and give a nice visual appeal
    Alternatively I can do it as well, but I accept duck bread as payment

    before sending it to gp, please do that. see previous edition for layout and make sure it's exactly the same for consistency. changing tag to wip until you do that. thanks! -sobi
     
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    ThrashNinjax Lets take to the Skies Host Emeritus

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    Brine isn't super deadly on Gyarados cause it's not that fast and its SpA is a little lacking, tbh Waterfall is the scarier move. iirc you get the Upgrade in the Eterna Galactic building so yeah you can get P2 well before Wake. Will mention Ice Fang on Floatzel.
    Mentioned killing Bastiodon asap, keep in mind that Physical Attacks still shred through it because of the 4x weakness. Magneton doesn't have the coverage and Steelix doesn't have the power to pose a real threat (unless you're playing a Nuzlocke with healing items banned, in which case every fight is difficult).
    Sneasel is too weak and lacks the right coverage options (no Brick Break? pls) to be threatening, its fast but it folds at a light breeze. Will mention Focus Blast threatening steels like Empoleon, and Faint Attack vs Froslass (kinda lacks good users though...).
    Gastrodon doesn't get hit harder than neutral by anything, its pretty darn bulky and has a STAB SE attack (Electivire's Giga Impact is the only thing that threatens to kill but that entails it having +atk and you having -def, being low, or it just getting a crit, not to mention that if it fails to kill then Electivire's dead in the water cause of recharge). Will mention in protips to watch out for the coverage. Also will mention the possibility of counteracting Luxray's Intimidate by setting up an SD...
     
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