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RBY Ubers / 1P Chansey [Done]

Discussion in 'Analyses' started by eden, Sep 16, 2015.

  1. eden

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    Chansey[​IMG]
    Type: Normal
    Stats: 250 | 5 | 5 | 105 | 50

    Introduction

    In RBY 1P Chansey is a premier special wall, and in conjuntion with Light Screen and Soft-Boiled barring a critical hit, it can check Amnesia Mewtwo and threaten to freeze it. Chansey is an excellent utility Pokemon in this metagame, and it serves as an excellent blanket check to most common special attackers in RBY 1P.

    Sets

    Standard

    Chansey
    - Ice Beam
    - Light Screen
    - Seismic Toss
    - Soft-Boiled

    Set Details

    This set aims to go toe-to-toe with Mewtwo thanks to Light Screen barring multiple Special drops. Chansey will either freeze Mewtwo or get frozen by Mewtwo in the long run; either case is beneficial to the Chansey user. Your opponent will frequently bring in another team member hoping to take the inevitable freeze instead on Mewtwo, which is where Seismic Toss comes in handy to wear down the rest of your opponents' team. Soft-Boiled is the obligatory recovery move that makes Chansey such a tough egg to crack. Remember when facing Mewtwo that the more Ice Beams used, the better because it increases the chances of Mewtwo being eventually neutered and opens the path for your own Mewtwo to wreak havoc on your opponents' team.

    Other Options

    Sing is an option for Chansey to serve as a status platform, but Chansey prefers being able to be a reasonably reliable Mewtwo check, which is a massive niche in this Mewtwo-dominated metagame. Thunderbolt is another option, but it'll rarely if ever see use in RBY 1P. Thunder Wave is useful to help Chansey spread status and can be run over Ice Beam if needed.

    Checks and Counters

    Most physical attackers can threaten Chansey and tend to force it out if Chansey is needed to check Mewtwo in the course of the match. Snorlax, Gengar, Exeggutor, and the seldom Golem can all force Chansey out with their STAB attacks in the case of Snorlax or the threat of Explosion. Snorlax, though, will rarely — if ever — want to explode on Chansey, especially considering the fact that it can tank +999 Special Mewtwo Psychic and take it out. However, the Chansey user should still switch it out, especially considering that Body Slam can outlast Soft-Boiled's PP or land a critical hit on Chansey, rendering it unable to check Mewtwo late-game. Mew in RBY 1P is a massive threat that can use Chansey as setup fodder for its dangerous Swords Dance set, so make sure to have a solid response to it at +2 on your team.
     
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  2. Ortheore

    Ortheore Host Emeritus

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    I would say Twave isn't that bad an option on Chansey. It's not the best thing to be using for the reasons you mentioned, but being able to paralyse the likes of Mew and Lax is always nice, especially since M2 can't afford to stay in for long for risk of getting frozen.

    Your comment on IBs hitting M2 being material gain strikes me as odd. I mean I agree with the sentiment, just not the way it's worded, because material gain isn't right. Maybe say something along the lines of maximising how many IBs you hit M2 with? idk

    Good stuff overall
     
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  3. Lutra

    Lutra Site Founder Owner

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    I strongly disagree about Thunder Wave being rare. With thunder wave, you have so much more control with recovery, which is really important. Paralysing Mewtwo is not the difference between losing and winning. Also, you can outspeed paralysed Mewtwo if your own Chansey is paralyzed with just one amnesia.
     
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    oh ok :)

    @Ortheore - i'll reword the freeze and Thunder Wave thing
    @Lutra - don't you need ls to check m2 properly?
     
  5. Lutra

    Lutra Site Founder Owner

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    Ice Beam removal just like in OU.
     
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    done :)
     
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    "In RBY Ubers Chansey is the premier special wall, and in conjuntion with Light Screen and Soft-Boiled barring a critical hit can check Amnesia Mewtwo and threaten to freeze it."
    "This set aims to go toe to toe with Mewtwo,and due to having Light Screen,barring a critical hit,can usually do so."

    Mewtwo Psychic vs. Chansey on a critical hit: 248-292 (35.2 - 41.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    I think Chansey's more threatened by stacked Special drops than critical hits, it shouldn't be hard to keep Chansey out of Critical Hit KO range. Maybe the underlined sections should be removed?

    "Thunderbolt is another option but it'll rarely if ever see use in RBY Ubers."

    While completely true, there should be atleast some sort of explanation why.

    "Thunder Wave is useful to help Chansey spread status, and can be run over Ice Beam if needed."
    Probably should describe when you might want Thunder Wave over Ice Beam.
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    also please fix up the format (where is the bolds and underlines and stuff) D:

    Lax only really forces it out because of the possibility of a crit/because body slam can outstall softboiled PP. It doesn't really beat chansey except in the long run.
     
  9. eden

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    done
     
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    Double crit is an issue unless you're playing very safe with Softboiled (and if you are, you'll probably run out). But yeah, two Amnesias and a single Special fall make crit and non-crit damage essentially identical, so I'd agree that crits aren't the big issue. The big issue is Psychic on Amnesia Mewtwo, full stop.
     
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    Chansey[​IMG]
    Type: Normal
    Stats: 250 | 5 | 5 | 105 | 50

    Introduction

    In RBY Ubers, Chansey is a premier special wall, and in conjuntion with Light Screen and Soft-Boiled barring a critical hit, it can check Amnesia Mewtwo and threaten to freeze it. Chansey is an excellent utility Pokemon in this metagame, and it serves as an excellent blanket check to most common special attackers in RBY Ubers.

    Sets

    Standard

    Chansey
    - Ice Beam
    - Light Screen
    - Seismic Toss
    - Soft-Boiled

    Set Details

    This set aims to go toe-to-toe with Mewtwo thanks to Light Screen barring multiple Special drops. Chansey will either freeze Mewtwo or get frozen by Mewtwo in the long run; either case is beneficial to the Chansey user. Your opponent will frequently bring in another team member hoping to take the inevitable freeze instead on Mewtwo, which is where Seismic Toss comes in handy to wear down the rest of your opponents' team. Soft-Boiled is the obligatory recovery move that makes Chansey such a tough egg to crack. Remember when facing Mewtwo that the more Ice Beams used, the better because it increases the chances of Mewtwo being eventually neutered and opens the path for your own Mewtwo to wreak havoc on your opponents' team.

    Other Options

    Sing is an option for Chansey to serve as a status platform, but Chansey prefers being able to be a reasonably reliable Mewtwo check, which is a massive niche in this Mewtwo-dominated metagame. Thunderbolt is another option, but it'll rarely if ever see use in RBY Ubers. Thunder Wave is useful to help Chansey spread status and can be run over Ice Beam if needed.

    Checks and Counters

    Most physical attackers can threaten Chansey and tend to force it out if Chansey is needed to check Mewtwo in the course of the match. Snorlax, Gengar, Exeggutor, and the seldom Golem can all force Chansey out with their STAB attacks in the case of Snorlax or the threat of Explosion. Snorlax, though, will rarely — if ever — want to explode on Chansey, especially considering the fact that it can tank +999 Special Mewtwo Psychic and take it out. However, the Chansey user should still switch it out, especially considering that Body Slam can outlast Soft-Boiled's PP or land a critical hit on Chansey, rendering it unable to check Mewtwo late-game. Mew in RBY Ubers is a massive threat that can use Chansey as setup fodder for its dangerous Swords Dance set, so make sure to have a solid response to it at +2 on your team.

    [gp approved]
     
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  12. Sobi

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    Please implement the above check and mark this as done.
     
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    you still havent implemented it lol

    can a mod copy/paste that into the OP
     
  14. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    doing so now
     

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