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All Gens Alternative Tiers

Discussion in 'Tiers' started by Disaster Area, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

    May 4, 2014
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    This thread is for containing the rulestes of tiers that are not Pokemon Perfect's Main Tiers (see this link for those tiers), i.e. for tiers which are not in the Standard Tier Set. It is to be used as a directory. If you want to request a tier be added to this list, please just send me a visitor or private message.


    Doubles 1U

    Sleep Clause, Species Clause; Cannot have more than 3 users of Baton Pass per team6; Banned Abilities: Moody; Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold, Swagger

    Balanced Hackmons

    Sleep Clause; Banned Moves: Chatter, Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold, Z-Moves*; Banned Abilities: Arena Trap, Comatose, Huge Power, Moody, Parental Bond, Protean, Psychic Surge, Pure Power, Queenly Majesty, Shadow Tag, Triage, Water Bubble, Wonder Guard; Banned Pokemon: Primal Groudon, Primal Kyogre, Zygarde-Complete; -Ate Clause**

    Important Notes:
    • * This means that all Z-crystals are banned, as are hacked Z-moves onto movesets.
    • **Limit to one of the following abilities per team: Aerilate, Galvanize, Pixilate, Refrigerate
    • There is no EV Limit.
    • Groudon holding a Red Orb is legal, but a Primal Groudon holding a separate item is
      not. Kyogre holding a Blue Orb is legal, but a Primal Kyogre holding a separate item is not. A Zygarde with Power Construct is legal, but Zygarde-C holding a separate item is not.
    Main Thread - Link


    2017 Legacy Tiers:

    Banned Pokémon: Aerodactyl, Blissey, Celebi, Claydol, Cloyster, Deoxys-E, Dugtrio, Flygon, Forretress, Gengar, Groudon, Gyarados, Heracross, Ho-Oh, Jirachi, Jolteon, Kyogre Latias, Latios, Lugia, Magneton, Mew, Mewtwo, Metagross, Milotic, Porygon2, Rayquaza, Regice, Salamence, Skarmory, Snorlax, Starmie, Suicune, Swampert, Tyranitar, Venusaur, Wobbuffet, Wynaut, Zapdos
    Belly Drum + Baton Pass Ban, Ingrain+Baton Pass Ban

    Deoxys-E stands for Deoxys-Everything; this means that all Deoxys forms (Normal, Speed, Attack, and Defense) are banned. Similarly, Arceus-E stands for Arceus-Everything, meaning that all Arceus forms are banned.

    Belly Drum + Baton Pass Ban means that no Pokémon may have Baton Pass and Belly Drum on the same set. Similary, Ingrain + Baton Pass Ban means that no Pokémon may have Baton Pass and Ingrain on the same set.
    2P Rules +
    Banned Pokémon: Alakazam, Espeon, Medicham, Slaking
    2U Rules +
    Banned Pokémon: Articuno, Breloom, Chansey, Dragonite, Donphan, Entei, Exeggutor, Hariyama, Houndoom, Jynx, Kingdra, Lanturn, Ludicolo, Marowak, Moltres, Nidoking, Omastar, Quagsire, Raikou, Registeel, Rhydon, Slowbro, Solrock, Tauros, Vaporeon, Weezing

    ADV 50

    Standard OU battle clauses, plus Mean Look is banned.

    Legal Pokemon: Aggron, Altaria, Ampharos, Armaldo, Azumarill, Banette, Cacturne, Camerupt, Castform, Chimecho, Clefable, Crawdaunt, Crobat, Electrode, Fearow, Flareon, Forretress, Glalie, Golduck, Golem, Granbull, Hitmonlee, Huntail, Jumpluff, Kabutops, Kadabra, Lanturn, Manectric, Mantine, Meganium, Mightyena, Misdreavus, Muk, Nidoqueen, Rapidash, Sableye, Sandslash, Scizor, Scyther, Sharpedo, Shiftry, Slowking, Stantler, Steelix, Torkoal, Typhlosion, Venomoth, Vileplume, Wailord, Whiscash

    This thread also contains the above information.


    2017 Legacy Tiers:

    Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, Species Clause
    Banned Moves: Dig, Double Team, Fissure, Fly, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Psywave
    Banned Pokémon: Alakazam, Chansey, Cloyster, Dragonite, Exeggutor, Gengar, Golem, Jolteon, Jynx, Lapras, Mew, Mewtwo, Slowbro, Snorlax, Starmie, Tauros, Zapdos
    Banned Pokémon: Articuno, Moltres


    Violet is a modification of RBY by Kristoph. There is a limited roster of Pokemon, many of which are buffed, as well as team preview, fixes of some RBY glitches, and a number of moves buffed. A couple of Pokemon's types are changed also.
    This can also be found in pastebin form here.

    Table of Contents
    • Clauses/Misc
    • Roster
    • Type Changes
    • Move Changes
    • Stat/Movepool changes


    Team Preview: On
    Clauses: Sleep / Freeze / Species

    The type chart is modernized: Ghost is super-effective against Psychic; Ice is not very effective against Fire; Bug is NVE against Poison; and Poison is neutral against Bug.

    1/256 is gone. All rejoice.

    Recover, Rest and Softboiled also don't fail sometimes like they do in RBY.

    Paralysis as a secondary status works as it does in modern gens.
    (Body Slam can paralyze normals, etc)




    Aerodactyl, Alakazam, Arbok, Articuno, Beedrill, Butterfree, Chansey, Charizard, Cloyster, Dragonite, Dugtrio, Electabuzz, Electrode, Exeggutor, Flareon, Gengar, Golbat, Golduck, Golem, Gyarados, Hypno, Jynx, Kabutops, Machamp, Magmar, Magneton, Moltres, Muk, Nidoqueen, Ninetales, Parasect, Pidgeot, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Primeape, Slowbro, Snorlax, Starmie, Tangela, Tauros, Vileplume, Zapdos


    Type Changes

    [​IMG] Butterfree - Bug/Psychic
    [​IMG] Charizard - Fire/Dragon
    [​IMG] Electabuzz - Electric/Fighting
    [​IMG] Golduck - Water/Ghost
    [​IMG] Magmar - Fire/Fighting
    [​IMG] Magneton - Electric/Rock
    [​IMG] Ninetales - Fire/Psychic


    Move Changes

    Acid: 70 BP, 50% chance to lower Defense
    Bind: 40 BP, Bug-type, 8 PP, Partial trapping for 2-3 turns (Accuracy remains 75)
    Clamp: 70 BP, 5 PP, Partial trapping for 2-3 turns (Accuracy remains 75)
    Disable: 100 Accuracy, 3 PP. Disabled moves remain Disabled indefinitely, even if the Disabled Pokemon switches out. If you try to Disable a second move, the second move will be successfully Disabled, but the first move will no longer be Disabled. Only Muk, Ninetales, and Tangela have access to Disable.
    Dream Eater: 200 BP, Ghost-Type, works against sleeping, poisoned, or badly poisoned targets, heals 100% of damage dealt. Only Beedrill, Gengar, Hypno, and Poliwrath have access to the move.
    Fire Spin: 30 BP, 8 PP, Partial trapping for 2-3 turns (Accuracy remains 70)
    Gust: 80 BP, Flying-Type, 30% chance to lower Attack
    Karate Chop: Fighting-Type
    Leech Life: 60 BP, heals 100% of damage dealt
    Mega Drain: Heals 100% of damage dealt
    Mimic: Mimicked moves remain on the user’s moveset even if the user switches out. Only Articuno, Dugtrio, Flareon, Jynx, Magneton, and Pidgeot have access to Mimic.
    Petal Dance: 120 BP (repeats 2-3 turns, then confuses user)
    Poison Sting: 95 BP, 30% chance to poison
    Rock Slide: 85 BP
    Sky Attack: +1 Defense during charge turn
    Solar Beam: 100 BP, +1 Special during charge turn
    Submission: 100 Accuracy, 100 BP
    Thrash: 100 BP, Dragon-Type (repeats 2-3 turns, then confuses user)
    Toxic: 100 Accuracy
    Tri Attack: Ghost-Type
    Twineedle: 40 BP per hit (still 20% poison chance per hit)
    Vice Grip: Bug-Type, high critical hit ratio
    Wrap: 40 BP, 8 PP, partial trapping for 2-3 turns (Accuracy remains 85)


    Stat/Movepool Changes

    [​IMG] Aerodactyl - Learns Rock Slide, Softboiled
    [​IMG] Arbok - 60/105/69/65/100 | 0/+20/0/0/+20
    [​IMG] Beedrill - 65/80/40/45/130 | 0/0/0/0/+55 Learns Dream Eater, does not learn Swords Dance
    [​IMG] Butterfree - 70/55/60/95/80 | +10/+10/+10/+15/+10 | Learns Leech Life, Solar Beam
    [​IMG] Chansey - Does not learn Solar Beam
    [​IMG] Charizard - Learns Thrash
    [​IMG] Dragonite - Learns Thrash
    [​IMG] Dugtrio - 35/110/50/70/120 | 0/+30/0/0/0 | Learns Tri Attack
    [​IMG] Electrode - 65/65/70/110/140 | +5/+15/0/+30/0
    [​IMG] Exeggutor - No longer learns Solar Beam.
    [​IMG] Flareon - 115/130/90/110/65 | +50/0/+30/0/0
    [​IMG] Golbat - 85/90/80/80/90 | +10/+10/+10/+5/0 | Learns Acid, Gust, Super Fang
    [​IMG] Golduck - Learns Tri Attack, doesn't learn Submission
    [​IMG] Gyarados - Learns Sky Attack, Tri Attack
    [​IMG] Hypno - 85/113/70/115/67 | 0/+40/0/0/0
    [​IMG] Kabutops - Learns Rock Slide
    [​IMG] Machamp - 100/130/100/65/55 | +10/0/+20/0/0
    [​IMG] Magneton - 120/60/95/120/70 | +70/0/0/0/0
    [​IMG] Magmar - 65/95/57/85/120 | 0/0/0/0/+27 | Learns Vice Grip
    [​IMG] Moltres - Learns Solar Beam
    [​IMG] Muk - 145/105/85/75/50 | +40/0/+10/+10/0 | Learns Acid
    [​IMG] Nidoqueen - 90/92/87/75/85| 0/+10/0/0/+9 | Learns Softboiled
    [​IMG] Ninetales - Learns Psychic, Disable
    [​IMG] Parasect - 90/115/130/80/30 | +30/+20/+50/0/0 | Learns Twineedle, Vice Grip
    [​IMG] Pidgeot - 83/110/75/105/100 | 0/+30/0/+35/+9
    [​IMG] Poliwrath - 90/115/95/70/70 | 0/+30/0/0/0 | Learns Dream Eater, Karate Chop
    [​IMG] Primeape - 65/105/60/60/125 | 0/0/0/0/+30
    [​IMG] Tangela - 85/55/115/100/60 | +20/0/0/0/0 | Learns Disable, does not learn Sleep Powder
    [​IMG] Vileplume - 80/105/85/100/80 | +5/+25/0/0/+30 | Learns Razor Leaf

    Ultra Violet

    This is a modification of Violet, the metagame listed above, by Disaster Area and Enigami
    Table of Contents
    • Roster
    • Type Changes
    • Move Changes
    • Stat/Movepool changes


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    New to Ultra Violet: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Aerodactyl, Alakazam, Arbok, Articuno, Beedrill, Blastoise, Butterfree, Chansey, Charizard, Cloyster, Dragonite, Dugtrio, Electabuzz, Electrode, Exeggutor, Flareon, Gengar, Golbat, Golduck, Golem, Gyarados, Hypno, Jynx, Kabutops, Lapras, Machamp, Magmar, Magneton, Moltres, Muk, Nidoqueen, Ninetales, Parasect, Pidgeot, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Primeape, Slowbro, Snorlax, Starmie, Tangela, Tauros, Tentacruel, Vileplume, Zapdos


    Type Changes

    [​IMG] Blastoise - Water / Ground


    Move Changes

    Glare: 100% Accuracy.
    Gust: 33% chance to lower Attack.
    Whirlwind: 95 BP, 100 Acc Flying-type. [Only Butterfree, Golbat, and Pidgeot have access to it. Not yet implemented server-side]


    Stat/Movepool Changes

    [​IMG] Machamp - 100/140/100/65/55 | +10/+10/+20/0/0
    [​IMG] Muk - Learns Surf, Transform
    [​IMG] Pinsir - Learns Earthquake, Rock Slide
    [​IMG] Primeape - 65/105/60/60/135 | 0/0/0/0/+40


    - 1 Pokemon Teams
    - RBY 1U Rules plus:
    - Sleep Moves (Spore, Lovely Kiss, Hypnosis, Sing, Sleep Powder) are banned.
    - Self-KO Clause
    - Partial Trapping Moves (Wrap, Clamp, Fire Spin, Bind) are banned.
    - Accuracy-Lowering Moves (Sand Attack, Flash, Kinesis) are banned.
    Last edited: Apr 29, 2019

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