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RBY "0U" Discussion - No clauses!

Discussion in 'Tiers' started by DarkCyborg, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. DarkCyborg

    DarkCyborg I represent the power of Ice! Member

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    Honestly, I never seen a mode like that (though I'm a newbie on pokémon battling).

    In cartridge, you can build a team with any pokémon and any move; and there's no restrictions like sleep clause and freeze clause.

    You can create a team with 6 Mewtwos, or you can use a Parasect and Spore everyone to sleep! Your team, your rules.

    So, how would be this meta game? What do you guys think?

    (PS: I don't know if I created this thread correctly and in the correct section, if I made mistakes, my fault :v)
     
    DarkCyborg, Jan 23, 2017
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  2. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    This is called RBY 1A :p
     
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  3. DarkCyborg

    DarkCyborg I represent the power of Ice! Member

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    Well, I found no discussion and viability rankings about this tier. How is it? Which mons are staples? ^^

    Btw, can you edit the thread's title from "0U" to 1A?
     
    DarkCyborg, Jan 24, 2017
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  4. Enigami

    Enigami Moderator

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    Well, not quite. Technically, what DarkCyborg described is 1B. 1A isn't playable just yet, as 1A allows pre-status, and there isn't any way to play with pre-status on Showdown just yet. As soon as I get pre-status working, then 1A will be playable.

    Edit: Also DarkCyborg, the staples of 1B I'd imagine would just be Double Team / Recover / Amnesia / Recover Mewtwo or Double Team / Defense Curl / Light Screen / Rest Chansey for the extra PP and just try to wait for the opponent to run out of PP.
     
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  5. DarkCyborg

    DarkCyborg I represent the power of Ice! Member

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    Yep, that's right Enigami. Despite the "no clauses" in the title, there are some clauses:

    - All mons must be without status and full HP before the match (hey Nurse Joy!);

    - In the case of an endless battle, a draw is called.

    - ...self KO clause?

    Edit:

    So, something like "sleep spamming" usually does not work?

    I'm not sure if Swift bypasses evasion (I think it does), therefore, SD / Swift / Double Team / Soft-Boiled Mew could be interesting as well.
     
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  6. Enigami

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    Mewtwo would easily outlast that:
    +6 Mew Swift vs. Mewtwo: 155-183 (37.3 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    32 Swift PP vs. 32 Recover PP. Mewtwo outstalls you. Unless you maybe throw out Toxic first.

    And the problem with Sleep is that if you don't hit with it early enough, all you're gonna do is help Mewtwo stall out your PP.
     
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  7. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    you would strategically need something to stop infinite switching: that's the flaw of sets without attacks.

    Something like amnesia / recover / double team / psychic or ice beam mewtwo would work since it forces your opponent to stay in
     
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  8. DarkCyborg

    DarkCyborg I represent the power of Ice! Member

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    Maybe paralysis + sd/swift?
     
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  9. Enigami

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    Actually, I think Toxic would be the best 'attacking' move, as a poisoned Mewtwo would eventually die even with switching.
     
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  10. Peef Rimgar

    Peef Rimgar True love Member

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    For the love of god let AG keep infinite battle clause, it isn't a balance mod, its a playability mod.
     
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  11. Lutra

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    That's right, Endless Battle Clause or whatever you want to call it shouldn't involve additionl win/tie conditions, just the natural conclusion.
     
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  12. magic9mushroom

    magic9mushroom BEST END. Member

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    Mewtwo and Mew bans are pretty common. Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause and IIRC Species Clause are ideas that Nintendo came up with later (the first two can be seen in Stadium) that were imported back by the competitive Pokemon community.

    Freeze Clause in cartridge RBY needs to die, though, as it directly modifies cartridge mechanics.
     
    magic9mushroom, Jan 24, 2017
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