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RBY OU / 1U (OverUsed) Porygon [GP Ready]

Discussion in 'Individual Analyses' started by Enigami, Aug 30, 2016.

  1. Enigami

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    Porygon [​IMG]
    Type: Normal
    Stats: 65 | 60 | 70 | 75 | 40


    Introduction

    Porygon has been under the radar for the majority of competitive RBY, and not without reason. Almost anything that can be done with Porygon, Chansey can do and much more. But after it was found Body Slam could not paralyze Normal-type Pokemon, an opportunity presented itself. A common way to take advantage of paralyzed Chansey is to bring in Snorlax, but an unstatused Porygon can switch in and wall all Snorlax lacking Amnesia, preventing most Snorlax from gaining any momentum and rendering them ineffective. This gives Porygon a niche as a partner to Chansey by providing anti-Snorlax support.

    Sets

    Cancerduck

    Porygon
    - Ice Beam / Psychic / Blizzard
    - Thunder Wave
    - Recover
    - Flash / Thunderbolt / Tri Attack

    Set Details

    Dedicated annoyer set, ideal for harassing Snorlax throughout a match. Paralysis should be avoided as much as possible. Ice Beam provides a chance to freeze and a decent attack against Pokemon weak to Ice, while Psychic provides Special-drops which can soften opponents for teammates or help it stomach Special attacks. Blizzard is also an option to provide more immediate damage. Thunder Wave inflicts paralysis and provides the means to potentially wall fast Pokemon that lack Thunder Wave or Stun Spore such as Tauros. Recover provides Porygon with twice as much instant recovery PP as Chansey, allowing Porygon to exhaust all of Snorlax's Body Slam PP and still have recovery left over.

    Flash provides accuracy drops and further slows paralyzed Pokemon which is useful for additional speed control and annoying Pokemon, paricularly setup sweepers such as Amnesia Snorlax, but it can be dropped for coverage. Thunderbolt provides complete coverage with Ice Beam or Blizzard. Tri Attack 3HKOs Alakazam and Jynx which can allow Porygon to break them while also providing neutral coverage against common Ice resists.

    Other Options

    Using Reflect makes it very hard for physical attackers to break Porygon, but either limits Porygon's coverage or capacity to hinder Pokemon. Sharpen and one of Tri Attack, Double Edge or Hyper Beam are also possibilities, but even with setup Porygon's damage output is lackluster and will struggle to find openings to use enough Sharpens to be threatening.

    Team Options

    Chansey is mandatory, as there is little merit to Porygon otherwise. Porygon alongside Chansey can leave a team more vulnerable to mixed attackers and Pokemon that can exploit slow teams, so teammates that can handle those kinds of Pokemon are recommended. Starmie is a strong check to most of the threats to Chansey and Porygon outside of Zapdos and Jolteon. Slowbro walls Amnesia users and can hinder most Swords Dance users with paralysis. Golem and Rhydon tank Hyper Beams and Explosions while also shutting down the otherwise dangerous Zapdos and Jolteon. Gengar provides a hard counter to partial trapping and Sword Dance users, and its ability to absorb Hyper Beam and Explosion can be useful as well. Exeggutor is the best switch-in to Golem and Rhydon, which are very threatening to Chansey and Porygon if they are weakened or aren't carrying Ice coverage.

    Checks and Counters

    Chansey takes little damage from Porygon's attacks and only fears a possible freeze or PP stalling while threatening to cripple Porygon with paralysis. Starmie and Alakazam provide a similar threat, however they may be threatened in return by Thunderbolt and Tri Attack respectively and are hindered by paralysis themselves. Zapdos' and Jolteon's ability to break Porygon as well as Chansey with their mixed offenses and Thunder Wave makes them fairly effective at breaking the core, though they are likely to be hindered with paralysis doing so. Golem and Rhydon can heavily pressure Porygon with Explosion and a 2HKO from Earthquake respectively. Anything else that can paralyze Porygon counts at least as a check as Porygon is highly dependent on reliable recovery to be effective.
     
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  2. Enigami

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    Finished.

    Also, this is the 1000th post in Individual Analyses!
     
  3. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Member

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    I think Reflect is actually an interesting option. What happens when Hyper Beam Snorlax gets a crit with Body Slam? I'd definitely consider it actually... have you thought about it more?
     
  4. Enigami

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    Depends on how much damage the crit Body Slam does. Crit Body Slam inflicts 71.7 - 84.6%, and Hyper Beam inflicts 65.1 - 76.5%. Factoring in Recover, the range of damage is effectively 86.8 - 111.1%. Body Slam needs to inflict more than 78% to exceed a 50% chance to KO, and anything less than 73.5% needs a crit to KO which would cut through Reflect anyway. Technically a max roll crit Body Slam can guarantee a KO, but there's still Hyper Beam's 90% accuracy, Snorlax's ~6% chance of crit to begin with, and needing a maximum roll Crit Body Slam for Hyper Beam to be guaranteed.

    Reflect does absolutely nothing to help against a crit Body Slam unless you're already set up beforehand, and is actually worse than Recover if you aren't.
    71.7% - Minimum damage of crit Body Slam.
    32.4% - Minimum damage of Hyper Beam through Reflect.
    104.1% - Minimum total damage.

    My trouble with Reflect is that Lax can just switch out to a paralyzing/special attacking teammate without much trouble even if it stays in as you Reflect. And if say Chansey, Alakazam or Starmie switch in as Pory sets up Reflect, it's in a bad spot. I can't see Reflect being anything but a momentum sink on Pory, it isn't like Chansey where it doesn't fear Special attacks or paralysis as much. Atleast with my main set, you're either chipping and potentially netting a freeze, dropping accuracy, spreading paralysis or keeping Pory healthy so it can switch into Snorlax again later. And if Lax is staying in (or is last mon) and playing for the crit, Pory could paralyze it (and with Flash, drop its accuracy) and further reducing the risk of getting KO'd which also has the benefit of potentially crippling/annoying switch-ins. Plus I'd rather have Flash so it has something for Amnesia Lax. If you can predict Selfdestruct that's great, but I usually pack Golem (which is a good teammate since Zapdos and Jolteon are big threats to both Porygon and Chansey) so if I predict Selfdestruct I can just switch out to it.
     
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  5. TuffHunter

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    Thoughts on:
    • Sharpen
    • Reflect/Icebeam/Psychic
    • Recover
    • Hyper Beam
    At +2 you have a 53% chance to OHKO Chansey and at +4 you have 100% vs Tauros. Reflect Chansey still has a 41% chance of dying to Crit Hyper Beam or the same 53% at +6. Reflect Lax causes an odd PP war unless it somehow gets crit Body Slams but this could be an excuse to drop Reflect in favor of Ice Beam or Pyschic.
     
  6. Troller

    Troller From Marcoasd's DNA Member

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    Sorry for the late answer, anyways this is kind of wrong:

    Snorlax Body Slam vs. Porygon: 123-145 (36.9 - 43.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    Snorlax Body Slam vs. Chansey: 268-315 (38.1 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    Porygon is almost always forced to Recover/Reflect because of the high damage he gets during the switch in. PPstalling (24) Body Slams via 32 Recovers vs 16 Soft Boiled of Chansey should be mentioned, not the (wrong) momentum gainer thing.
     
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  7. Enigami

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    Bad phrasing, should be more that Amnesia-less Snorlax can't get anything done without getting lucky. This needs a big overhaul though as I've gotten a lot more experience with Pory since then.
     
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    Troller From Marcoasd's DNA Member

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    By the way i made the calcs because i used Porygon a few lately:

    Snorlax Hyper Beam vs. Chansey at 69%: 472 - 555 (67.1 - 78.9%) -- 74.4% chance to OHKO
    Snorlax Hyper Beam vs. Porygon at 72%: 217 - 255 (65.2 - 76.6%) -- 43% chance to OHKO

    This takes account for every roll of Body Slam crit+HB to kill from 100% hp after Recover
     
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    To expand on Troller's calcs, I decided to look into how your odds of recovering and surviving look after you've taken different rolls from critical hit Body Slam.

    Chansey HP after damage:
    Safe Range - N/A
    Coin Flip (or better) Range - 25-23%
    Low Survival Range - 23-18%
    Dead Range - 17-12%

    Porygon HP after damage:
    Safe Range - 28-27%
    Coin Flip (or better) Range - 26-20%
    Low Survival Range - 19-16%
    Dead Range - 15%

    Chansey is always in danger of dying from Hyper Beam and has a large range of critical hit Body Slam rolls where the Snorlax is guaranteed to kill.
    Porygon is only guaranteed to be KO'd if it is hit by the highest possible critical hit Body Slam roll, and has a fairly wide range where odds of survival are high if not guaranteed.

    Better than I'd thought. After a Body Slam crit, Chansey is in serious trouble and has to consider fleeing, while Porygon has a lot of rolls that it can feel comfortable staying in on.
     
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