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All Gens Pokemon Perfect Main Tiers

Discussion in 'Tiers' started by Disaster Area, Aug 15, 2015.

  1. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Global Moderator

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    Introduction

    In all cases, the ruleset of each tier is the rules listed besides the tier name, and that of all tiers above it. This thread's opening post refers to Pokemon Perfect's main singles tiering in each generation. By each tier-name, Modifications, Clauses, and Bans are listed. The modifications, clauses , and bans will be in effect in all tiers below and including the tier-name by which they reside. Modifications refer to features of simulators that are not replicable on cartridge. Clauses are rules applied to the game which may not be properly implementable on cartridge, though as a community we support ideas to try and make clauses cartridge-implementable. If a Pokemon or other entity is unreleased then it is not legal. They are listed from the oldest generation to the newest. For a depiction of our tiering sytem, please see this thread. For Tiers that are not in this Tier Set, such as Balanced Hackmons, see this thread. For a very in-depth explanation of our Tiering Nomenclature, see this thread. If you want to see a version of this list using Sprites instead of names for the Pokemon, without clauses included, see this thread.

    The fully detailed list is at the bottom, but the main list presented is suitable for most players' purposes.

    RBY1

    1P - Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, Species Clause, Banned Moves: Dig, Double Team, Fissure, Fly, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Psywave
    1U - Banned Pokémon: Mew, Mewtwo
    2P - Banned Pokémon: Alakazam, Chansey, Cloyster, Dragonite, Exeggutor, Gengar, Golem, Jolteon, Jynx, Lapras, Slowbro, Snorlax, Starmie, Tauros, Zapdos
    2U - Banned Pokémon: Articuno, Moltres
    3U - Banned Pokémon: Dodrio, Gyarados, Haunter, Hypno, Kadabra, Kangaskhan, Persian, Poliwrath, Raichu, Raticate, Rhydon, Tentacruel, Victreebel
    4U - Banned Pokémon: Aerodactyl, Charizard, Clefable, Dewgong, Dugtrio, Electabuzz, Exeggcute, Fearow, Golduck, Kingler, Mr. Mime, Pinsir, Poliwhirl, Sandslash, Vaporeon, Venusaur, Wigglytuff
    5U - Banned Pokémon: Abra, Arcanine, Blastoise, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Omastar, Porygon, Rapidash, Scyther, Slowpoke, Staryu, Tangela, Venomoth
    6U - Banned Pokémon: Arbok, Dragonair, Drowzee, Electrode, Gastly, Graveler, Lickitung, Magmar, Ninetales, Parasect, Poliwag, Primeape, Seadra, Seaking, Vileplume, Wartortle

    GSC

    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause, SleepPerishTrap Ban2; Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize
    1U - Banned Pokémon: Celebi, Lugia, Ho-oh, Mew, Mewtwo

    ADV1,3


    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Symmetry Clause, Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold
    1U - Banned Pokémon: Deoxys-E4, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Wobbuffet, Wynaut; Belly Drum + Baton Pass Ban5; Ingrain+Baton Pass Ban5
    2P - Banned Pokémon: Aerodactyl, Blissey, Celebi, Claydol, Dugtrio, Flygon, Forretress, Gengar, Gyarados, Heracross, Jirachi, Jolteon, Magneton, Metagross, Milotic, Porygon2, Raikou, Regice, Salamence, Skarmory, Snorlax, Starmie, Suicune, Swampert, Tyranitar, Zapdos
    2U - Banned Pokémon: Alakazam, Espeon, Medicham, Slaking
    3U - Banned Pokémon: Articuno, Breloom, Chansey, Cloyster, Dragonite, Donphan, Entei, Exeggutor, Hariyama, Houndoom, Jynx, Kingdra, Lanturn, Ludicolo, Marowak, Moltres, Nidoking, Omastar, Quagsire, Registeel, Rhydon, Slowbro, Solrock, Tauros, Vaporeon, Venusaur, Weezing

    HGSS

    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Symmetry Clause, Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold
    1U - Evasion Abilities Clause, Speed-Passing Clause, Banned Pokémon: Arceus-E4, Darkrai, Deoxys-E4, Dialga, Garchomp, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Manaphy, Mew, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Shaymin-S, Wobbuffet, Wynaut

    BW2

    1U - Sleep Clause, Species Clause; Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold, Swagger; Banned Abilities: Moody

    ORAS

    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause; Cannot have more than 3 users of Baton Pass per team; Banned Abilities: Moody; Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold, Swagger
    1U - You cannot Mega Evolve Rayquaza6; Banned Items: Blue Orb, Gengarite, Red Orb, Salamenceite; Banned Abilities: Shadow Tag; Banned Moves: Geomancy
    2U - Banned Pokémon: Arceus, Arceus-Dark, Arceus-Electric, Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Ghost, Arceus-Grass, Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Rock, Arceus-Water, Blaziken [Mega], Darkrai, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Speed, Dialga, Diancie [Mega], Ferrothorn, Genesect, Giratina-O, Gliscor, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kangaskhan [Mega], Klefki, Kyogre, Landorus-T, Latias, Latios, Lucario [Mega], Lugia, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza, Sableye [Mega], Shaymin-S, Tyranitar, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom

    SM

    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause; Banned Abilities: Moody; Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold, Swagger
    1U - You cannot Mega Evolve Rayquaza6; Banned Items: Blue Orb, Gengarite, Red Orb; Banned Abilities: Shadow Tag; Banned Moves: Baton Pass, Geomancy

    1Note that in all metagames, the game mechanics follow the final handheld title, but the movesets include all things obtainable before the following generation was released. So, in the cases of RBY and ADV, Yellow and Emerald's game mechanics are followed, and moves obtainable from Stadium (without GSC tradebacks), such as Surf Raichu, and from XD, such as Baton Pass Zapdos are permitted.
    2Sleep Moves (such as Hypnosis) + Mean Look / Spider Web + Perish Song is an illegal moveset combination
    3ADV is short for Advance, which comes from the Gameboy Advance where almost all of the 3rd Generation games are playable. Some players use the term RSE instead of ADV, which is short for Ruby Sapphire Emerald, to describe the 3rd Generation.
    4Deoxys-E stands for Deoxys-Everything; this means that all Deoxys forms (Normal, Speed, Attack, and Defense) are banned. Similarly, Arceus-E stands for Arceus-Everything, meaning that all Arceus forms are banned.
    5Belly Drum + Baton Pass Ban means that no Pokémon may have Baton Pass and Belly Drum on the same set. Similary, Ingrain + Baton Pass Ban means that no Pokémon may have Baton Pass and Ingrain on the same set.
    6Listed as Mega Rayquaza Clause on simulators. Note that this means Dragon Ascent is a legal move but you aren't given the choice to Mega Evolve Rayquaza when you use the move.


    RBY1

    1A - HP Percentage Mod; Endless Battle Clause; Stalemate Clause, Banned Moves: Psywave2
    1B - Cleric Clause
    1O - Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, Species Clause, Banned Moves: Dig, Double Team, Fly, Minimize
    1P - Banned Moves: Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill
    1R - Banned Pokémon: Mewtwo
    1U - Banned Pokémon: Mew
    1V - Banned Pokémon: Chansey
    1W - Banned Pokémon: Exegutor, Snorlax, Tauros
    2P - Banned Pokémon: Alakazam, Cloyster, Dragonite, Gengar, Golem, Jolteon, Jynx, Lapras, Slowbro, Starmie, Zapdos
    2U - Banned Pokémon: Articuno, Moltres
    3U - Banned Pokémon: Dodrio, Gyarados, Haunter, Hypno, Kadabra, Kangaskhan, Persian, Poliwrath, Raichu, Raticate, Rhydon, Tentacruel, Victreebel
    4U - Banned Pokémon: Aerodactyl, Charizard, Clefable, Dewgong, Dugtrio, Electabuzz, Exeggcute, Fearow, Golduck, Kingler, Mr. Mime, Pinsir, Poliwhirl, Sandslash, Vaporeon, Venusaur, Wigglytuff
    5U - Banned Pokémon: Abra, Arcanine, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Omastar, Porygon, Rapidash, Scyther, Staryu, Tangela, Venomoth
    6A - Banned Pokémon: Arbok, Dragonair, Drowzee, Electrode, Gastly, Graveler, Lickitung, Magmar, Ninetales, Parasect, Poliwag, Primeape, Seadra, Seaking, Vileplume, Wartortle

    GSC

    1A - HP Percentage Mod; Endless Battle Clause; Stalemate Clause
    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause, SleepPerishTrap Ban3; Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize
    1U - Banned Pokémon: Celebi, Lugia, Ho-oh, Mew, Mewtwo

    ADV1,4

    1A - HP Percentage Mod; Endless Battle Clause; Stalemate Clause; Symmetry Clause
    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold
    1U - Banned Pokémon: Deoxys-E5, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Wobbuffet, Wynaut; Belly Drum + Baton Pass Ban6; Ingrain + Baton Pass Ban6
    2P - Banned Pokémon: Aerodactyl, Blissey, Celebi, Claydol, Dugtrio, Flygon, Forretress, Gengar, Gyarados, Heracross, Jirachi, Jolteon, Magneton, Metagross, Milotic, Porygon2, Raikou, Regice, Salamence, Skarmory, Snorlax, Starmie, Suicune, Swampert, Tyranitar, Zapdos
    2U - Banned Pokémon: Alakazam, Espeon, Medicham, Slaking
    3A - Banned Pokémon: Articuno, Breloom, Chansey, Cloyster, Dragonite, Donphan, Entei, Exeggutor, Hariyama, Houndoom, Jynx, Kingdra, Lanturn, Ludicolo, Marowak, Moltres, Nidoking, Omastar, Quagsire, Registeel, Rhydon, Slowbro, Solrock, Tauros, Vaporeon, Venusaur, Weezing

    HGSS

    1A - HP Percentage Mod; Endless Battle Clause; Stalemate Clause; Symmetry Clause
    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold
    1R - Banned Pokémon: Arceus-E5
    1U - Evasion Abilities Clause, Speed-Passing Clause, Banned Pokémon: Darkrai, Deoxys-E5, Dialga, Garchomp, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Manaphy, Mew, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Shaymin-S, Wobbuffet, Wynaut

    BW2

    1A - HP Percentage Mod; Endless Battle Clause; Stalemate Clause
    1B - Sleep Clause, Species Clause; Banned Moves: Double Team, Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Minimize, Sheer Cold, Swagger; Banned Abilities: Moody
    1X - Banned Abilities: Drizzle + Swift Swim, Drought + Chlorophyll, Sand Stream + Sand Rush; Banned Items: Soul Dew, Arceus-E5, Blaziken, Darkrai, Deoxys-E5, Dialga, Genesect, Giratina, Giratina-O, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Kyurem-White, Landorus, Lugia, Manaphy, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Shaymin-S, Thundurus, Tornadus-T, Zekrom

    ORAS

    1A - HP Percentage Mod; Endless Battle Clause; Stalemate Clause
    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause; Banned Moves: Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Sheer Cold, Swagger; Banned Abilities: Moody
    1R - You cannot Mega Evolve Rayquaza8, Cannot have more than 3 users of Baton Pass per team7; Banned Moves: Double Team, Minimize
    1S - Banned Items: Blue Orb, Red Orb, Salamenceite
    1U - Banned Items: Gengarite; Banned Abilities: Shadow Tag; Banned Moves: Geomancy
    2U - Banned Pokémon: Arceus, Arceus-Dark, Arceus-Electric, Arceus-Fairy, Arceus-Ghost, Arceus-Grass, Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Rock, Arceus-Water, Blaziken [Mega], Darkrai, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Speed, Dialga, Diancie [Mega], Ferrothorn, Genesect, Giratina-O, Gliscor, Groudon, Ho-oh, Kangaskhan [Mega], Klefki, Kyogre, Landorus-T, Latias, Latios, Lucario [Mega], Lugia, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza, Sableye [Mega], Shaymin-S, Tyranitar, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom

    SM

    1A - HP Percentage Mod; Endless Battle Clause; Stalemate Clause
    1P - Sleep Clause, Species Clause; Banned Moves: Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, Sheer Cold, Swagger; Banned Abilities: Moody
    1R -You cannot Mega Evolve Rayquaza8, Cannot have more than 3 users of Baton Pass per team7; Banned Moves: Double Team, Minimize
    1S - Banned Items: Blue Orb, Red Orb
    1U - Banned Items: Gengarite; Banned Abilities: Shadow Tag; Banned Moves: Baton Pass, Geomancy

    1Note that in all metagames, the game mechanics follow the final handheld title, but the movesets include all things obtainable before the following generation was released. So, in the cases of RBY and ADV, Yellow and Emerald's game mechanics are followed, and moves obtainable from Stadium (without GSC tradebacks), such as Surf Raichu, and from XD, such as Baton Pass Zapdos are permitted.
    2Reasoning.
    3Sleep Moves (such as Hypnosis) + Mean Look / Spider Web + Perish Song is an illegal moveset combination
    4ADV is short for Advance, which comes from the Gameboy Advance where almost all of the 3rd Generation games are playable. Some players use the term RSE instead of ADV, which is short for Ruby Sapphire Emerald, to describe the 3rd Generation.
    5Deoxys-E stands for Deoxys-Everything; this means that all Deoxys forms (Normal, Speed, Attack, and Defense) are banned. Similarly, Arceus-E stands for Arceus-Everything, meaning that all Arceus forms are banned.
    6Belly Drum + Baton Pass Ban means that no Pokémon may have Baton Pass and Belly Drum on the same set. Similary, Ingrain + Baton Pass Ban means that no Pokémon may have Baton Pass and Ingrain on the same set.
    7For simulators: can be called Fullpass Clause or Baton Pass Clause
    8Listed as Mega Rayquaza Clause on simulators. Note that this means Dragon Ascent is a legal move but you aren't given the choice to Mega Evolve Rayquaza when you use the move.
    Species Clause: Each team can have a maximum of one Pokemon of each species.

    Sleep Clause:
    Players can send a maximum of one of their opponent's Pokemon to sleep at a time.

    Freeze Clause: Players can freeze a maximum of one of their opponent's Pokemon at a time.

    Symmetry Clause: Any game mechanics which do not hold when you switch which player is Player 1 are claused out.

    Evasion Abilities Clause: Sand Veil and Snow Cloak cannot be used as an ability on a Pokémon that has access to an alternative ability.

    Speed-Passing Clause: Baton Pass and a move that boosts speed cannot be used on the same set.

    Endless Battle Clause: Forcing infinite battles causes the game to be tied. This clause is the prevention of infinite battles, for the benefit of new players of the game (who might otherwise be forced into these for the fun of people not thinking of the consequences of their actions on the lower ladder).

    Stalemate Clause: Stalemate Clause is the permission of draws in games at a stage when, after a long amounts of turns, no PP is used (other than from moves gained by Transform), and no damage is dealt.

    Cleric Clause: Cleric Clause means that all Pokemon must have full HP and PP, and not have any status conditions prior to the battle. In other words, heal up with Nurse Joy right before your battle if you're on cartridge; the simulators do this automatically.
     
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  2. magic9mushroom

    magic9mushroom BEST END. Member

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    Why are there so many bans in ADV 1U? Were you just lazy enough not to retier?
     
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    I had nothing to do with that decision, but I can say from my experience with GSC (where the state of OU is dubious), that the majority of people dislike the idea of changing up past gen OUs, even if you implement a range of measures to not compromise the old OU. It's very difficult to get most people on board with the idea, there's a lot of community resistance and by forcing changes through we risk alienating a significant group of people. On top of all that, ADV OU is regarded by I think most people who play it as one of the best metas available, so these factors are compounded in this instance.

    fwiw I wouldn't mind seeing a retiering of all gens, but certainly for gen 3 I don't see it getting off the ground. Heck, I don't even think I'd get involved in the process myself, so who am I to push for this kind of thing?
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Global Moderator

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    Yeah for Gen 3 there's only very small changes required (adjustments to baton pass limits) and in comparison adv ubers is much less balanced (it is still a good meta though! Quite a few of my friends are into it).

    It's a similar case for gen 4 but it's actually still a bit up in the air - some people are calling for an infernape ban and we need to decide on a policy that removes sand veil gliscor (Smogon's solution had a lot more collateral than we'd like..)
     
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    Wow! I have to say that I really like how you formatted the rule sets for each individual tier. Very unique (though not that much different) from Smogon tiers. Do you ever plan on making an entire list that shows the available Pokemon in each tier? That would keep thing's a lot more organised in my opinion. As well as a viability ranking of some kind to show how good a Pokemon is in each tier.
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Global Moderator

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    Well there's already viability rankings for many of the tiers, though they're not directly linked (maybe I should?)
     
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    Sure, that wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Just thought I would throw my opinion out there. Overall I'm really liking the tier system from the looks of it.
     
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    Ah very well then. No worries.
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Global Moderator

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    Yeah we did have a plan to do that but it was hard to rally a playerbase. Hopefully with you and the couple of others who've signed up recently on the forums we can get something going :)
     

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