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Discussion in 'Chat' started by Disaster Area, Aug 31, 2015.

  1. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Member

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    Post anything u want in here (so long as it does not break site rules.. use common sense).
     
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    Am I doing this right?
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Member

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    sure. I lit just made this thread so I had somewhere to put all my achievements without overloading my signature (and I was having ridic trouble attaching links to both arbok and sableye at the same time fsr; at the time I incorrectly thought there was some limit to the amount of hyperlinks I could have in a sig).
     
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    hi piexplode
     
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    hi iresar
     
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    Hahaha! Yeah Light Yagami going "full crackhead" with the notebook! That was honestly one of the best endings to an anime I've ever seen. Not gonna give it away for anyone thinking of watching it but I don't like cliche endings; they should be dark and chilling just like this was.

    While we're on random anime clips I guess I'll put one up of that Tenjho Tenge I was going on about. Mods might wanna look at this to decide if it's OK to have on this page, it is pretty graphic, but such a great anime; not a lobotomised creation refined for the western taste; just a raw, detailed, violent series that to me echos the image of Japanese anime beautifully.

     
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    Typical russian wedding(Dread wedding if smb knows him)[​IMG]
     
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    Don't mind me just posting a couple of proofs in group theory.
     

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    magic9mushroom BEST END. Member

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    Mixed STAB in RBY (is this important enough to go somewhere else?)

    Theoretical mixed STAB:
    Venusaur (cannot use its Poison STAB)
    Gyarados (cannot use its Flying STAB)
    Omastar (cannot use its Rock STAB)
    Kabutops (cannot use its Rock STAB)
    Dragonite (cannot use its Flying STAB; no Dragon STAB moves even exist)

    Real mixed STAB:
    Charizard (Fire Blast, Fire Spin and/or Flamethrower/Fly)
    Vileplume (Mega Drain, Petal Dance or Solarbeam/Acid)
    Parasect (Leech Life/Mega Drain or SolarBeam)
    Victreebel (Razor Leaf/Acid)
    Tentacruel (Hydro Pump or Surf/Acid)
    Articuno (Blizzard or Ice Beam/Fly, Peck or Sky Attack)
    Moltres (Fire Blast and/or Fire Spin/Fly, Peck or Sky Attack)

    Usable mixed STAB (over 40 Base Power, single-turn attacks on both sides):
    Poliwrath (Hydro Pump or Surf/Submission)
    Zapdos (Thunder or Thunderbolt/Drill Peck)
     
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    Hey that's pretty interesting, I might fill in some missing pokemon that are theoretical because idk it's a little more interesting

    Butterfree (no Flying)
    Golbat (no Poison)
    Venomoth (no Poison)
    Gengar (no Poison)
    Scyther (no Bug)
    Omastar (no Rock)
    Kabutops (no Rock)
    Aerodactyl (no Rock)

    I think that's all of them?
     
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    I think that's all for theoretical.

    Real mixed STAB:
    Exeggutor (Psychic/Mega Drain)
    Farfetch'd (Slash/Fly or Peck)
    Pidgeot (Hyper Beam or Double-Edge/Fly)
    Beedrill (Twineedle or Pin Missile/Poison Sting)
    Nidoking (Earthquake/Poison Sting)
    Nidoqueen (Earthquake/Poison Sting)

    Usable mixed STAB (over 40 Base Power, single-turn attacks on both sides):
    Starmie (Hydro Pump or Surf/Psychic)
    Slowbro (Hydro Pump or Surf/Psychic)
    Lapras (Hydro Pump or Surf/Blizzard or Ice Beam)
    Cloyster (Hydro Pump or Surf/Blizzard or Ice Beam)
    Dewgong (Hydro Pump or Surf/Blizzard or Ice Beam)
    Dodrio (Hyper Beam or Body Slam/Drill Peck)
    Fearow (Hyper Beam or Double-Edge/Drill Peck)
    Golem (Earthquake/Rock Slide)
    Rhydon (Earthquake/Rock Slide)
    Onix (Earthquake/Rock Slide)
    Jynx (Blizzard or Ice Beam/Psychic)

    This should cover the rest of them.
     
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    I said mixed, not dual. Mixed STAB means one physical and one special.

    I did miss Omastar and Kabutops, though.
     
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    Listing the legal level 5 Pokemon in RBY (this is according to Bulbapedia, so there may be an error or two):

    Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Pidgey, Rattata, Spearow, Pikachu, Raichu, Nidorans, Jigglypuff, Mankey (Yellow only), Poliwag (Yellow only), Tentacool, Farfetch'd, Electrode, Horsea (Yellow only), Goldeen (Yellow only), Magikarp, Mew.

    I think you can also get Mr. Mime if you use the Japanese Blue.

    (Yes, Electrode. I'm serious. You take a Pikachu from Viridian Forest, evolve it into Raichu without levelling it up, then trade it for Electrode at Cinnabar Island.)

    So legal RBY LC would consist of 18 Pokemon, 3 of which (Caterpie, Weedle, Magikarp) are essentially useless due to movepool.

    EDIT: Forgot Wigglytuff.
     
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    It gets worse when you consider legal movepools.

    Bulbasaur can't learn Sleep Powder or Razor Leaf, Charmander can't learn Slash or Fire Spin, and Squirtle can't learn Hydro Pump for some examples.

    I think when we get to RBY LC, we should either account for moves that can't be learned after level 5 by assuming it's using tradebacks from GSC with only their default moves (so no Egg/Event/GSC TM moves) to bring them as close to legal RBY as possible, or be Tradeback only so it's not an issue.
     
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    My opinion is that we should use some version(s) of Pika Cup instead.

    Also, Bulbasaur not learning Sleep Powder isn't a big issue, since literally no level 5 Pokemon can have a sleep move. Indeed, if Bulbasaur was the only thing to get sleep, it would be incredibly overpowered.
     
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    I was pointing out that RBY LC mons are using moves that they shouldn't be able to in general. Alternatively, RBY LC could be adjusted to be the lowest level all LC mons can be legally obtained on cartridge instead of Level 5, which I think is 30 (Koffing/Kabuto/Omanyte at the lowest is level 30).

    If we went with that, LC Pokemon would get to keep some of their level-up movepool (such as Razor Leaf for Bulbasaur, Recover for Staryu), and Sonic Boom and Dragon Rage could probably be unbanned. Dragon Rage is only carried by Charmander, Dratini, Growlithe and Magikarp, and at level 30 3HKOs Pokemon with 22 or more Base HP keeping it from being overpowered. With Magikarp's base 80 speed, Dragon Rage Magikarp might actually be hilariously viable as a revenge killer (probably like LC UU or something).
     
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    I'd prefer to discard the LC restriction ("yet to evolve") entirely. RBY Pokemon are generally balanced on the basis of equal levels, not equal stages. I.E. Butterfree is balanced(ish) against Doduo, not Caterpie against Doduo and Butterfree against Dodrio. Little Cup's "yet to evolve" restriction is based on breeding, which isn't a thing in RBY.

    I'll note that Little Cup comes from Stadium 2, where it replaced Stadium 1's Pika Cup. I think Pika Cup (level 20) is a decent starting point because the "high stats, no evolution" Pokemon start dropping in like flies afterward (Tauros at level 26/21, Kangaskhan at level 25/28, Snorlax at level 30).

    My preference, to stay "in the spirit", would be to throw away Yellow and stone evolutions, since Yellow has like five billion underlevelled evolutions and premature stone evolutions (i.e. before it gets its movepool) are short-sighted. But whatever.

    Also @Disaster Area maybe this discussion ought to be split off (starting with my post on legal level 5s) and moved to Tiers or somewhere; I was planning to start a thread there when the time was right and link that post but it seems we've kinda jumped the gun.
     
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    This thread really can be about whtever, but yah i recommend making a new thread for it. We could still have old RBY LC kept under some different name to indicate it's not a real playable tier, though tbh I'd have to get some later gen LCers to work out what's really in the LC spirit for RBY.
     
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    magic9mushroom BEST END. Member

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    Had a dream last night where I was playing against GGFan and somehow it ended up as Staryu + Persian vs. his Golem + Gengar.

    It got me thinking about using Mimic on Persian to try to steal Hypnosis or Night Shade/Psychic from an incoming Gengar.
     
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    This could work quite well below OU.

    In OU, I think we could leave alone the STAB thing, focusing on the mixed physical/special part as we all know mixed sweepers need Chansey to be out of the way to get to work, and it's the most common answer.
    This should suggest which pokemon could theoretically be a good mixed sweepers (putting into the equation hard counters like rocks or Gengar).
     
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    Apparently I suck at checking, because there is a legal level 5 sleeper - Jigglypuff, with Sing.
     
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    EVs: 136 Atk / 132 Def / 184 SpD / 56 Spe
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    ADV 1U hariyama spread
    2HKO +1 CurseLax
    Survive +1 standard DDtar Rock Slide + EQ after sand
    outspeed standand pert/bliss
    rest into spdef to help take gengar tbolts
     
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    Does someone know the odds of starmie vs mega drain egg, jolt vs chansey (both para), zam vs stoss chansey (both para), rest cloyster vs lax, rest cloyster vs tauros, and dnite's odds to be brutal in general ?

    have no idea of where to post this lol
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Member

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    this is probably the best place, especially as there's a magic9mushroom who's getting alerts from the thread, they're the most likely to know anything about any of that.
     
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    Nah, I'm not getting alerts from this thread.

    Off the top of my head:

    Starmie needs to be paralysed for Mega Drain Egg to have a chance of beating it (otherwise it needs three consecutive crits to get past Recover).

    First approximation for Jolt vs. Chansey unparalysed gives ~25% for Jolt to win. Paralysis always brings matchups closer so I'm guessing it'd be about 1/3 for Jolt to win. I lost my copy of Mathematica so I can't really crunch Markov chains at the moment.

    Cloy vs. Lax: Cloy needs 8 Clamp hits to get Lax into Blizzard range. Assuming that's three Clamp uses (which is slightly generous to Lax; it's a bit less than that on average) it has about a 2/3 chance to do it without getting paralysed by Body Slam or KOed. Obviously Cloyster still has a decent chance of winning even if it gets paralysed.

    Cloy vs. Tauros is roughly: Cloy wins, unless Tauros gets hax (crits, paraslam-> FP, Blizzard misses) and Cloy doesn't get hax (crits, freezes, Hyper Beam miss, low damage roll). Tauros has about a 3/4 chance to hax in some way and Cloy has about a 3/5, so it winds up with Cloy having about a 70% chance to win.

    That's rough calcs; I don't really feel like doing exact calcs right now.
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Member

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    hmm I might try and look at all the states in the markov chain at least to get that going, I don't know how to do the mathematics behind it though, although I understand the principle. Hmm maybe if/when I study markov processes I can bring up this as an example.. that sounds like fun :>
     
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    magic9mushroom BEST END. Member

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    I'm just tired as shit because I had a dream in which I killed myself and I couldn't get back to sleep.

    The way I did the Lap v Chan Markov chain was to give a variable to each state and express that state in terms of its products. So if I have 100 active states + 3 possible results I have x0 through x99, a, b, and c. And if state x50 has a 50% chance of transforming to state x47, a 20% chance of state x56, a 20% chance of state of result b and a 10% chance of result c then I write x50 = 0. 5x47 + 0.2 x56 + 0.2b + 0.1c. Then I use Mathematica to solve the 100 equations for the 100 xj variables in terms of a, b and c (I know how to do it by hand, but it's rather tedious). Then a given xj's proportion of a, b and c in the solution are the probabilities of getting to those results from that xj.
     
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    Mmm and I guess since you always have 1/16 chance of not changing state (in this and lapras case) you just rearrange the variables so like say x10 = (1/4)*x11+(1/2)*x12+(3/16)*x4+(1/16)*x10 would become x10=(4/15)*x11+(8/15)*x12+(1/5)*x4, is it correct that you'd do that? If so i think I'll set about to solve this later today.
     
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    magic9mushroom BEST END. Member

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    Well, that kinda happens by itself if you're doing it by hand, and computer algebra systems don't break a sweat if you leave it to them rather than bothering yourself.

    And in the Lapras case it wasn't always a 1/16 to do nothing; Lapras wasn't always paralysed and the confusion timer keeps counting down even if Chansey FPs. It was the confusion that made that one so poisonously long; the followup calc where Lapras had Hyper Beam instead was about a fifth as long.
     
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    why did I bother to make this
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    especially since memes are shitty/this forum's a bad place for memes/this is a really terrible 12-year-old-MLG meme x_x
     
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    In the spirit of the op pf this thread I've decided to leave a link here. In a skype chat we were discussing min-maxing rby/gsc, and how it's theoretically impossible to completely minimise atk while maxing other stats. In an effort to help determine the min atk I decided to create a spreadsheet listing every pokemon, their base stats and the ratios between stats (tl;dr Chansey is best for everything except def, that's done better by magikarp/shuckle). Then I got told halfway through about a mechanic in rby that lets you gain evs in every stat except attack so all that work was redundant. Except maybe the gsc... which I cbf doing right now

    Base stats and ratios - Google Sheets
     
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    magic9mushroom BEST END. Member

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    What mechanic is that?
     
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    [10/04/2016 09:23:40] Nails: if you exp all with a switch + 5 party members vs a magikarp you get an ev in every stat except attack (more in hp/speed)
    [10/04/2016 09:24:17] Nails: so you can cap every stat with 0 attack evs
    [10/04/2016 09:24:29] Nails: by using vitimins and then killing 40k magikarps
    [10/04/2016 09:24:58] Nails: along with switching 40k times
     
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    Wow. Floored division to the rescue?
     
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    Any word on the formula? I'm assuming its floored Base Stat EXP ÷ # of shared EXP mons ÷ # of Pokemon that were active in the battle and weren't fainted, right? Is it possible to for example have 0 Speed EVs by switching 2 times vs. Slowpoke?
     
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    I'll note that most of the letters scattered out of frame and thus evaded the press. Only the PES from Hopes and the A from Dreams were actually crushed.
     
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    I'd be interested in the odds of reflect chansey vs lax [could start with chans para'd or unpara'd and with or without reflect up, and lax could have hyper beam or could not] but I think that might be a long one... maybe markov chains could work there though.
     
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    Assuming Lax has no means of paralysing Chansey it'd be a 7*10 = 70-state Markov chain if you assume Body Slam to do 40% to Chansey (10 Chansey HP levels from 10% to 100%, Lax healthy/paralysed/hit once/twice/thrice/four times/five times). There'd be a separate 6*10 = 60-state chain for Chansey trying Ice Beam without paralysing Lax first. Both of those would have to be done twice for Chansey paralysed/unparalysed and twice for Hyper Beam/not. But each individually is significantly simpler than the 140-state horror I did for Chansey vs. Lapras (both in sheer number of states and in the number of things that can happen in each state; for paraChansey vs. Lapras there can be up to 18 results for any specific turn, while for Chansey vs. Lax the max is 9 with Chansey paralysed or 6 with it healthy). They'd be more similar to the addendum I posted on Hyper Beam Lapras vs. paraChansey, which was much simpler.

    I may do it at some future point (though I'd have to get my hands on another copy of Mathematica), but my SECRET PROJECT has absolute priority and I haven't even worked on that in months.
     
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