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HGSS DPP LC Viability Rankings

Discussion in 'Tiers' started by ThriceElite, Feb 26, 2018.

  1. ThriceElite

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    DPP LC Viability Rankings


    Welcome to the DPP LC viability ranking project. In this project, we will "tier" every Pokemon based on usefulness. An initial tier list has already been made; if you think something should be moved up or down, post in this thread with your reasoning on why, and the change may be enacted. Feel free to ask if there is any placement which you don't understand.

    credits Heysup for the initial rankings

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    Tier List


    Without further ado, here is the initial tier list with the rough definitions of each tier (note: Pokemon are ordered alphabetically).


    S-Rank


    Gligar
    +19 Speed fast, physically bulky, strong
    +Nice immunities to Ground and Electric, nice Fighting resist
    +Versatile; wide movepool, unpredictable
    -Hates Water and Ice attacks, types that also have priority (though some Gligar run Yache)
    -Dislikes Bronzor

    Munchlax
    +Blanket check to a lot of mons in the tier
    +One of the few things that can switch into special attackers with relative safety
    +Hits relatively hard
    +Bulky
    +Can Pursuit Gastly and eliminate it
    -Slower than basically everything else in the tier

    A-rank



    A+ rank


    Bronzor

    Croagunk

    Elekid

    Gastly

    Machop

    Snover

    Wynaut


    A Rank


    Chinchou

    Dratini

    Drifloon

    Duskull

    Glameow

    Houndour

    Kabuto

    Mankey

    Mantyke

    Slowpoke

    Stunky

    Taillow


    B-Rank


    B+ Rank


    Aipom

    Aron

    Bagon

    Bellsprout

    Carvanha

    Chimchar

    Diglett

    Doduo

    Exeggcute

    Geodude

    Horsea

    Krabby

    Magby

    Meowth

    Oddish

    Omanyte

    Phanpy

    Ponyta

    Porygon

    Staryu

    Totodile

    Voltorb

    Wailmer


    B Rank


    Abra

    Anorith

    Barboach

    Bonsly

    Buizel

    Buneary

    Cacnea

    Clamperl

    Cubone

    Cyndaquil

    Eevee

    Ekans

    Goldeen

    Grimer

    Hippopotas

    Koffing

    Larvitar

    Lileep

    Magnemite

    Makuhita

    Natu

    Paras

    Pineco

    Poliwag

    Rattata

    Seel

    Shroomish

    Squirtle

    Swinub

    Teddiursa

    Trapinch

    Zigzagoon


    C-rank




    Baltoy

    Bulbasaur

    Charmander

    Corphish

    Cranidos

    Drowzee

    Gible

    Growlithe

    Lickitung

    Numel

    Onix

    Nidoran M

    Piplup

    Psyduck

    Remoraid

    Riolu

    Sandshrew

    Shellos

    Shieldon

    Shuppet

    Smoochum

    Snorunt

    Snubbull

    Spheal

    Spoink

    Starly

    Tentacool

    Wingull



    D Rank

    everything else


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    Posting this here because I plan on using this to make DPP LC 2U and beyond later. I'm considering either having B+ or B be the cutoff point, and we vote on the mons in the cutoff point to drop to DPP LC 2U.

    tagging HSOWA and Eseque because they might be interested. Tell everyone who might be interested in making DPP LC 2U to come over here and contribute!
     
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  2. HSOWA

    HSOWA :> Season Host

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    cutoff should be B imo, there a lot of mons in B+ that seem way too good: Diglett, Porygon, Staryu and a lot of good weather abusers.

    For this VR, Cranidos should defo be higher: it's a good scarfer that reaches 21 speed, hits incredibly hard with Head Smash, and can bop Bronzor and Gastly with EQ.

    Meowth should be level with Glameow as they're pretty similar. it has Technician boosted Fake Out and Bite to make up for its lower attack and lack of Sucker Punch.

    Venonat has Compoundeyes Sleep Powder and can BP Agility. Smoochum has two good STABs and good Sp. Atk, both are niche but I'd rather use them rather than stuff like Spoink or Nidoran M
     
  3. Eseque

    Eseque Host Emeritus

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    abra, hippo, buizel, and poli up to b+
    slowpoke down to b+
    stunky up to a+
    elekid down to a
    imo
     
  4. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Leader

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    you need descriptions for the ranks

    I recommend no extra lines between each Pokemon, bolding the ranks, and getting mini sprites from Pokemon Sprites | Pokestadium
     
  5. ThriceElite

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    Added Smoochum and Riolu to C, and I bolded the ranks. I'll update this later; be sure to tell every DPP LC player you know about PP's DPP LC project and these topics so we get more players!
     
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    For tiering DPP LC 2U, I vote B as the cutoff point. Also I tried getting the sprites from the site DA suggested but it just refused to work. Any alternatives?

    Heysup made the initial rankings, I'll ask him about descriptions for the ranks.

    Also unlike most other viability rankings, I elaborated on WHY said mon is ranked where it is by adding a short description in spoiler tags. I only did the S ranks for now, the rest will come later.
     
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  7. ThriceElite

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    Reposting this rant here because there's no DPP LC General Discussion topic (yet) and someone can just move this post over there if it's made later. This rant concerns how to make less popular tiers more popular.

    March 20, 2018
    ThriceElite - Today at 10:17 AM
    Eseque if you want to make DPP LC more popular here are some tips (I'm telling you this now early in the morning because I can't sleep rn and I might as well do something):
    Market DPP LC and emphasize its advantages over the competition
    I can't tell you how many times I randomly see someone claiming that they hate stall and yet they still play fat lvl 100 tiers
    I mean if you showed DPP LC to them
    and flat out told them that there's no stall there and that it's good for 5-10 minute breaks in between work hours or something
    that would be a selling point
    second, tell them to stop being so spoiled regarding the whole "popularity bandwagon circlejerk" thing
    new gen players are so fucking spoiled regarding the ladder and tours
    they think that's the only way to get games
    literally
    LITERALLY
    ~100% of the games I got
    were by PMing a good DPP LC player and asking him if he wanted to play now(edited)
    i think i only asked for games in the chat like once or twice, max
    people are so fucking spoiled in regards to a tier's popularity
    and just bandwagon around the already popular tiers
    without considering if said tier is even a good fit for them
    stop overrelying on tour games and ladder games
    no one ever markets a tier and emphasizes a tier's advantages over another when they SHOULD
    people should just stop fucking bandwagoning and actually THINK
    if they hate stall then just explore alternatives ffs
    if they like offense and think the meta in another tier is too slow then just explore alternatives ffs
    hell
    I picked up DPP LC because it was very offensive and didn't have stall
    THAT was the selling point for me
    it can be the selling point for others as well
    so the next time you see anyone, ANYONE say that they hate stall, tell them about DPP LC and its advantages
     
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  8. ThriceElite

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    I suggest Magnemite down to B

    Yes, it traps and counters Bronzor, but you risk being annihilated by Earthquake on the switch.

    Worse, it just feels so janky for some reason I can't quite explain. Is it that Magnemite's resistances seem better on paper than in practice? Is it because it's so slow? Is it because Scarf Magnemite's main STAB move is a free invitation for Gligar to wreck your shit and Diglett to trap you?

    It's probably a combination of the above, tbh.
     
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    Magnemite got a 66.6% vote for B so I'm dropping it down a rank and into 2U.

    Magnemite B+ --> B
     

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