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RBY OU / 1U (OverUsed) Butterfree [Done]

Discussion in 'Individual Analyses' started by Enigami, Sep 6, 2015.

  1. Enigami

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    Butterfree [​IMG]
    Type: Bug / Flying
    Stats: 60 | 45 | 50 | 80 | 70


    Introduction

    One look at its stats alone makes it clear why this early game Bug-type Pokemon has never been seriously considered on a competitive 1U team. Its Special bulk is mediocre, its Defense is weak, and its Speed leaves it at the mercy of 1U's much faster powerhouses. Furthermore, its secondary Flying typing leaves it extremely vulnerable to both Electric- and Ice-type attacks, two very common attacking types. Its most redeeming feature, possessing both Sleep Powder and Stun Spore, is a trait possessed by far more reliable and stronger Pokemon such as Exeggutor and Victreebel. Its Flying typing makes it the only Sleeper with immunity to Earthquake, but in that regard, Exeggutor and Tangela's Ground resistance significantly reduce what might have been a strong niche for Butterfree. There is only one thing that keeps Butterfree from being outclassed in every aspect: its base 70 speed. It outspeeds Exeggutor, Tangela and Lapras, and it Speed ties with Victreebel and Cloyster, which makes Butterfree the fastest sleep inducing Ground resist available. This allows Butterfree to barely carve out a niche for itself, although one that will very rarely be used in serious competitions.

    Sets

    Support

    Butterfree
    - Sleep Powder
    - Stun Spore
    - Psychic
    - Mega Drain

    Set Details

    Butterfree's main objective should be to put something to sleep quickly, then try to paralyze whatever comes in after. It can attempt to wear down the sleeping Pokemon, however unless Butterfree outspeeds the target, it should focus on paralyzing a potential switch-in or switching out. Psychic is Butterfree's most damaging reliable attack, although even most non Psychic-type Pokemon in OU can tank it without much trouble. However, Special drops combined with amplifying paralysis' Speed drop still gives some utility. Mega Drain is weak, but 3HKOs Rhydon and Golem, while also inflicting a little more damage against Slowbro and Starmie.

    Team Options

    Its greatest synergy is with Jolteon, providing Earthquake immunity while Jolteon tanks the Thunderbolts directed at Butterfree, and also threatens most of the Ice-type Pokemon that Butterfree may have trouble with. Gengar also benefits from Butterfree's Earthquake immunity, however Gengar can't provide as much support as it doesn't take on Electric-type Pokemon, Articuno or Lapras very well. Ground-type Pokemon such as Golem and Rhydon can take any attack from Jolteon and Zapdos and force them out, while Butterfree switches into Earthquake and Grass or Water coverage without much issue. Special walls such as Alakazam and Chansey can tank the super effective special attacks targeting Butterfree, although they don't receive much benefit in return.

    Other Options

    Substitute is probably the best option and can be used to ease prediction after putting the opponent to sleep, and allows Butterfree to aim for full paralysis to try and extend its use. Hyper Beam can be used to finish off a heavily weakened Alakazam or Jynx that expect to be able to exploit Butterfree's weak attacks, however with Butterfree's pathetic 45 Attack it inflicts at best 40% damage. It can be hard to fit either of these moves on a set as it loses out on crucial status moves, consistent damage, or highly variable damage that keeps it from being completely walled by certain Pokemon.

    Checks and Counters

    Most standard teams will have an answer to Butterfree, if not several after being affected with a status move. Fast Psychic-type Pokemon can take the Sleep Powder, wait out the sleep turns, and swiftly KO Butterfree. Golem and Rhydon can switch into Butterfree's attacks and OHKO with Rock Slide, however Mega Drain can still take a large chunk out of their HP. Articuno can straight up OHKO Butterfree while Jynx can try to either put Butterfree to sleep first or gamble on a 40% chance to OHKO and they both outspeed it. Exeggutor doesn't suffer too much from paralysis and takes minimal damage from Butterfree's reliable attacks. Once sleep is out of the picture, Chansey is the greatest counter, often carrying either Ice Beam or Thunderbolt to 2HKO Butterfree and can easily recover off any damage taken. Alakazam and Starmie also have little trouble walling it and virtually any paralyzed Pokemon that isn't weak to Psychic or 4x weak to Mega Drain can switch into and take down Butterfree.
     
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  2. Conni

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    Butterfree [​IMG]
    Type: Bug / Flying
    Stats: 60 | 45 | 50 | 80 | 70


    Introduction
    One look at its stats alone makes it clear why this early game bug Bug-type Pokemon has never been seriously considered on a competitive OU team. The highly variable Psywave being one of Butterfree's more viable attacking options speaks volumes about its offensive prowess (or lack thereof). Its Special bulk is mediocre, it'(AA)s Defense is weak, and its Speed leaves it at the mercy of OU's much faster powerhouses. Furthermore, its secondary Flying typing leaves it extremely vulnerable to both Electric-(AH) and Ice-type attacks, two very common attacking types. Its most redeeming feature, possessing both Sleep Powder and Stun Spore, is a trait possessed by far more reliable and stronger Pokemon such as Exeggutor and Victreebel. Its Flying typing makes it the only Sleeper with immunity to Earthquake, but in that regard, Exeggutor and Tangela's Ground resistance significantly reduce what might have been a strong niche for Butterfree. There is only one thing that keeps Butterfree from being outclassed in every aspect: its base 70 speed. It outspeeds Exeggutor, Tangela and Lapras, and speed-ties it Speed ties (Speed tie doesn't need a hyphen (-) Victreebel and Cloyster, which makes Butterfree the fastest sleep inducing Ground-type resist available. This allows Butterfree to barely carve out a niche for itself, although one that will very rarely if ever see it be used in serious competitions.

    Sets

    Support

    Butterfree
    -Sleep Powder
    -Stun Spore
    -Psychic / Psywave
    -Mega Drain / Psywave

    Set Details
    Butterfree's main objective should be to put something to sleep quickly, then try to paralyze whatever comes in after. It can attempt to wear down the sleeping Pokemon, however unless Butterfree outspeeds the target, it should focus on paralyzing a potential switch-in or switching out. Psychic is Butterfree's most damaging reliable attack, although even most non Psychic-type Pokemon in OU can tank it without much trouble. However, Special drops combined with amplifying paralysis' Speed drop still gives it useful utility. Mega Drain can 3HKO most Rock-types and hits Starmie a little harder. Psywave is Butterfree's best coverage, although its 80% accuracy and extreme variability makes it the most unreliable attack in all of RBY.

    Psywave
    A move often rightfully ignored in every generation, Psywave in most generations inflicts from 0.5 to 1.5 times the user's level as damage. In RBY however, it generates a random number under 1.5 times the user's level, and uses that number for the damage to inflict on the target. With 80% accuracy, this gives Psywave an average damage output of 60, which is close to the average damage output of Butterfree's Psychic. It is not affected by resistance, enabling a weak attacker with poor coverage like Butterfree to actually do significant damage to Psychic-types. Additionally, there is also the possibility that it will inflict much more than the 60 damage average, outperforming even Night Shade. With luck, it can 3HKO any Pokemon without a massive HP stat like Lapras or Chansey. On the other hand, it can miss or inflict negligible damage. Using Psywave is a gamble, but for a Pokemon severely lacking in attack options like Butterfree, a move that is terribly inconsistent is a better option than moves that are consistently terrible, such as Psychic and Mega Drain vs. Psychic types Psychic-type Pokemon.

    Team Options
    Its greatest synergy is with Jolteon, providing Earthquake immunity while Jolteon tanks the Thunderbolts directed at Butterfree,(RC) and also threatens most of the Ice-types Pokemon that Butterfree may have trouble with. Gengar also benefits from Butterfree's Earthquake immunity, however Gengar can't as provide much support as it doesn't take on Electrics Electric-type Pokemon, Articuno or Lapras very well. Ground-types Pokemon such as Golem or and Rhydon can take any attack from Jolteon and Zapdos and force them out, while Butterfree switches into Earthquake and Grass or Water coverage without much issue. Special walls such as Alakazam and Chansey can tank the super effective special attacks targeting Butterfree, although they don't recieve receive benefit much much benefit in return.

    Other Options
    Substitute is probably the best option and can be used to ease prediction after putting the opponent to sleep, and allows Butterfree to fish aim for full paralysis to try and extend its use. Hyper Beam can be used to finish off a heavily weakened Alakazam or Jynx that expect to be able to exploit Butterfree's weak attacks, however with Butterfree's pathetic 45 Attack it inflicts at best 40% damage. It can be hard to fit either of these moves on a set as it loses out on crucial status moves, consistent damage, or highly variable damage that keeps it from being completely walled by certain Pokemon.

    Checks and Counters
    Most standard teams will have an answer to Butterfree, if not several after taking being affected with a status move. Fast Psychics Psychic-type Pokemon can take the Sleep Powder, wait out the sleep turns, and swiftly KO Butterfree, although Psywave can put them in danger of being KO'd depending on RNG. Pokemon with massive HP stats can tank any attack from Butterfree including high damage Psywaves, however these Pokemon typically make poor sleep absorbers and should only come in when already statused or after Sleep Clause is activated. Golem and Rhydon OHKO Butterfree with Rock Slide, however Mega Drain and Psywave can take a large chunk out of their HP. Articuno can straight up OHKO Butterfree while Jynx can try to either put Butterfree to sleep first or gamble on a 40% chance to OHKO,(RC) and they both outspeed it. Exeggutor doesn't suffer too much from paralysis and takes scratch minimal damage from Butterfree's reliable attacks. Once sleep is out of the picture, Chansey is the greatest counter, often carrying either Ice Beam or Thunderbolt to 2HKO Butterfree and can easily recover off any damage taken including maximum roll Psywaves. Alakazam and Starmie also have little trouble walling it,(RC) and virtually any paralyzed Pokemon that isn't weak to Psychic or 4x weak to Mega Drain can switch into and take down Butterfree unless it gets lucky with Psywave or full paralysis.

    Enigami Sobi

    Implement this once it has been stamped or checked by an official Grammar Prose Member
    also noticed this doesn't have any QC Checks yet but it was marked as GP ready so that's why I did this check.

     
  3. Sobi

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    Butterfree [​IMG]
    Type: Bug / Flying
    Stats: 60 | 45 | 50 | 80 | 70


    Introduction
    One look at its stats alone makes it clear why this early game bug Bug-type Pokemon has never been seriously considered on a competitive OU team. The highly variable Psywave being one of Butterfree's more viable attacking options speaks volumes about its offensive prowess (or lack thereof). Its Special bulk is mediocre, its Defense is poor, and its Speed leaves it at the mercy of OU's much faster powerhouses. Furthermore, its secondary Flying typing leaves it extremely vulnerable to both Electric-(AH) and Ice-type attacks, two very common attacking types. Its most redeeming feature, possessing both Sleep Powder and Stun Spore, is a trait possessed by far more reliable and stronger Pokemon such as Exeggutor and Victreebel. Its Flying typing makes it the only sleep-inducing move user wit anh immunity to Earthquake, but in that regard, Exeggutor and Tangela's Ground resistance significantly reduce what might have been a strong niche for Butterfree. There is only one thing that keeps Butterfree from being outclassed in every aspect: its base 70 Speed. It outspeeds Exeggutor, Tangela, and Lapras, and speed-ties it Speed ties with (Speed tie doesn't need a hyphen (-) Victreebel and Cloyster, which makes Butterfree the fastest sleep-inducing move user with a Ground resistance available. This allows Butterfree to barely carve out a niche for itself, although one that will very rarely if ever see it be used in serious competitions.

    Sets

    Support

    Butterfree
    -Sleep Powder
    -Stun Spore
    -Psychic / Psywave
    -Mega Drain / Psywave

    Set Details
    Butterfree's main objective should be to put a foe to sleep quickly, then try to paralyse whatever comes in after. It can attempt to wear down the sleeping Pokemon; however, unless Butterfree outspeeds the target, it should focus on paralysing a potential switch-in or switching out. Psychic is Butterfree's most damaging reliable attack, although even most non-Psychic-type Pokemon in OU can tank it without much trouble. However, Special drops combined with amplifying paralysis' Speed drop still gives it useful utility. Mega Drain can 3HKO most Rock-types and hits Starmie a little harder. Psywave is Butterfree's best coverage, although its 80% accuracy and extreme variability makes it the most unreliable attack in all of RBY.

    Psywave
    A move often rightfully ignored in every generation, Psywave in most generations inflicts from 0.5x to 1.5x the user's level as damage. In RBY, however, it generates a random number under 1.5x the user's level, and it uses that number for the damage to inflict on the target. With 80% accuracy, this gives Psywave an average damage output of 60, which is close to the average damage output of Butterfree's Psychic. It is not affected by resistance, enabling a weak attacker with poor coverage like Butterfree to actually do significant damage to Psychic-types. Additionally, there is also the possibility that it will inflict much more than the 60 damage average, outperforming even Night Shade. With luck, it can 3HKO any Pokemon without a massive HP stat like Lapras or Chansey. On the other hand, it can miss or inflict negligible damage. Using Psywave is a gamble, but for a Pokemon severely lacking in attack options like Butterfree, a move that is terribly inconsistent is a better option than moves that are consistently terrible, such as Psychic and Mega Drain versus Psychic types Psychic-type Pokemon.

    Team Options
    Its greatest synergy is with Jolteon, providing Earthquake immunity while Jolteon tanks the Thunderbolts directed at Butterfree and also threatens most of the Ice-types Pokemon that Butterfree may have trouble with. Gengar also benefits from Butterfree's Earthquake immunity; however, Gengar can't provide as much support, as it can't take on Electrics Electric-type Pokemon, Articuno, or Lapras very well. Ground-types Pokemon such as Golem or and Rhydon can take any attack from Jolteon and Zapdos and force them out, while Butterfree switches into Earthquake and Grass- or Water-type coverage without much issue. Special walls such as Alakazam and Chansey can tank the super effective special attacks targeting Butterfree, although they don't recieve receive benefit much much benefit in return.

    Other Options
    Substitute is probably the best option and can be used to ease prediction after putting the foe to sleep and allows Butterfree to fish aim for full paralysis to try and extend its use. Hyper Beam can be used to finish off a heavily weakened Alakazam or Jynx that expect to be able to exploit Butterfree's weak attacks; however, with Butterfree's pathetic base 45 Attack, it inflicts, at best, 40% damage. It can be hard to fit either of these moves on a set, as it loses out on crucial status moves, consistent damage, or highly variable damage that keeps it from being completely walled by certain Pokemon.

    Checks and Counters
    Most standard teams will have an answer to Butterfree, if not several after taking being affected with a status move. Fast Psychics Psychic-type Pokemon can take the Sleep Powder, wait out the sleep turns, and swiftly KO Butterfree, although Psywave can put them in danger of being KOed depending on RNG. Pokemon with massive HP stats can tank any attack from Butterfree including high damage Psywaves; however, these Pokemon typically make poor sleep absorbers and should only come in when already statused or after Sleep Clause is activated. Golem and Rhydon OHKO Butterfree with Rock Slide; however, Mega Drain and Psywave can take a large chunk out of their HP. Articuno can easily OHKO Butterfree while Jynx can try to either put Butterfree to sleep first or gamble on a 40% chance to OHKO,(RC) and they both outspeed it. Exeggutor doesn't suffer too much from paralysis and takes scratch minimal damage from Butterfree's reliable attacks. Once sleep is out of the picture, Chansey is the greatest counter, often carrying either Ice Beam or Thunderbolt to 2HKO Butterfree and can easily recover off any damage taken, including maximum roll Psywaves. Alakazam and Starmie also have little trouble walling it,(RC) and virtually any paralysed Pokemon that isn't weak to Psychic or 4x weak to Mega Drain can switch into and take down Butterfree unless it gets lucky with Psywave or full paralysis.

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  4. Sobi

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    Please implement the above GP check, do let me know if you require a copy-paste. Enigami
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Leader

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    Enigami did you implement the GP check? Also, maybe this needs an update with the psywave ban
     
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    Implemented GP checks and removed Psywave references.
     
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    Disaster Area Little Ball of Fur and Power Leader

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    There's still mentions of it in the intro
     
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    The opposing Tauros used Hyper Beam!
    Butterfree lost 86.7% of its health!
    Butterfree used Psychic!
    The opposing Tauros lost 13% of its health!
    The opposing Tauros fainted!

    Let's go Butterfree!
     
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