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ADV OU (OverUsed) Alakazam Spike Stack

Discussion in 'Public Teams' started by Cowboy Dan, May 15, 2016.

  1. Cowboy Dan

    Cowboy Dan Host Emeritus

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    Hello all, this is a team I've been throwing around in friendly matches recently that's pretty fun. When I built it I didn't expect much of it but it's been surprisingly effective. It's a TSS offensive team that uses a poke I was used to using in ADV 2U but is rather uncommon in 1U. Obviously it's not perfect, so I'm looking for any criticisms or tips that could make it better! Anyway, here is the team.

    At a Glance
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    Zapdos

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    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Grass]
    - Toxic
    - Baton Pass

    Zapdos leads off the team and acts as an amazing wall breaker, tank and Spikes abuser. I went with an offensive Toxic Baton Pass set as I wanted something capable of crippling switch ins such as Tyranitar, Flygon and Salamence while also being able to break through balanced teams with the combination of STAB Thunderbolt and Hidden Power Grass. Baton Pass allows Zapdos to pick up tempo on predicted switches to special walls such as Blissey in order to easily get Tyranitar in to punish them, and forcing the opponent to take more Spikes damage.

    With Max Special attack and a Modest nature, this thing hits like a truck, without either a resistance, or some serious special defense nothing is taking those Thunderbolts well. Even Snorlax takes around 33% or so which with Spikes down and sand up makes it a fairly unreliable switch. The rest is just thrown into speed to attempt to tie against Pokemon such as Adamant Salamence and guarantee that it outspeeds Heracross.

    Skarmory
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    Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Keen Eye
    EVs: 252 HP / 248 SpD / 8 Spe
    Careful Nature
    - Spikes
    - Toxic
    - Whirlwind
    - Protect

    Skarmory is the team's Spiker and acts as a solid counter to a number of physical attackers including Snorlax, Metagross, Flygon and some variants of Salamence. Specially Defensive Toxic Protect Skarm was chosen as it is a great set for getting down as many layers of Spikes as possible. With the EV spread it can easily come in on Bulky Waters such as Swampert, shrug off attacks and set down more layers of Spikes, or cripple it with Toxic. This EV spread also gives it over an 80% chance of surviving Magneton's Thunderbolt making it rather likely to get down 2 layers of Spikes against Magneton teams. It also shrugs off surprise Fire Blasts from the likes of Flygon and Snorlax. With Toxic and Protect, Skarmory is able to cripple a number of Rapid Spinners and stay quite healthy throughout the match.

    Skarmory is a necessity to this team as the rest of the team functions much more effectively with Spikes down. I chose it over other Spikers due to the lack of support it requires, and its ability to provide actual defensive synergy to the team, which most of the other Spikers in the tier fail to do.

    Gengar
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    Gengar @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 124 HP / 160 Atk / 116 Def / 12 SpA / 24 SpD / 72 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Punch
    - Explosion
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Gengar fulfills a number of roles on this team. First and foremost is as a Spin Blocker. Thanks to its ghost typing it is able to effectively block Rapid Spin against Forretress, Claydol, and Cloyster quite effectively. Starmie can prove difficult for it however. Its second role is as a Spikes abuser and late game cleaner. Thanks to the threat of its coverage, speed, power and status, it can force numerous switches in the mid game and clean up weakened teams at the end of the match. Its final role is to provide Explosion support for Alakazam and Zapdos in order to get rid of Special Walls like Blissey. With this team structure, if Alakazam is unrevealed, Explosion can be rather unexpected.

    The Bulky EV spread is one I was introduced to by M Dragon in an RMT I posted a few years ago. It gives it enough bulk to survive Salamence's Hidden Power Flying at +1 while still maintaining a relatively powerful explosion and the ability to out speed neutral natured base 100s. This spread helps Gengar as a spin blocker, and more importantly aids the illusion that it is not an Explosion set. The inclusion of Will-O-Wisp also helps create this illusion as it is most often found on bulky support oriented sets. Will-O-Wisp is also a great move for abusing Spikes as it limits the number of Pokemon that can safely switch in to Gengar.

    Swampert
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    Swampert @ Leftovers
    Ability: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Spe
    Relaxed Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Beam
    - Hydro Pump
    - Protect

    Swampert gives the team a pivot that prevents powerful physical attackers such as Aerodactyl, Tyranitar and Salamence among others from cutting the team open. It also gives the team some defensive relief to fall back on. The move set is quite standard and does just what the team needs from it. Hydro Pump provides Swampert with a secondary STAB move that hits Skarmory and Gengar relatively hard while also being capable of abusing that Torrent ability. Protect gives Swampert passive recovery and allows it to scout for Hidden Power Grass, Explosion, and Choice Band moves. Earthquake and Ice beam of course round out its standard coverage moves.

    The EV spread allows Swampert to out speed most Blissey, this is helpful for allowing it to pressure the fat blob with its Earthquakes, and more importantly for allowing it to finish off a weakened Blissey, this is particularly handy after it eats an Explosion from my Gengar. The rest is thrown in to HP and Defense to give it as much physical bulk as possible.

    Tyranitar
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    Tyranitar @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sand Stream
    EVs: 80 HP / 180 Atk / 76 Def / 172 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    IVs: 30 SpD / 30 Spe
    - Rock Slide
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Dance
    - Hidden Power [Bug]

    Tyranitar provides Sand Storm which is crucial to the team's success as it revolves around weakening the opposing team so that my faster attackers can clean up. Tyranitar also provides the team's primary means of physical offense. I chose to use a Dragon Dance set as I wanted an alternative win condition that could attack on the physical side. The set does not deviate from the standard but makes for an incredibly reliable late game cleaner or mid game wall breaker.

    80 HP and 76 Special Defense give Tyranitar enough bulk to survive Jolly Dugtrio's Earthquake. 172 Speed EVs allows it to out speed neutral natured base 100s at +1. The rest is thrown into attack to give it as much power as possible.

    Alakazam
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    Alakazam @ Leftovers
    Ability: Synchronize
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Calm Mind
    - Psychic
    - Hidden Power [Grass]
    - Fire Punch

    When I came to the last slot, I found I still needed something that could answer Gengar, and I also needed a fast attacker that could clean up in the late game. Alakazam was one of the few Pokemon that fit those requirements so I went with it, and I've been quite impressed with the results. It functions as the team's primary win condition, and thanks to its amazing Speed and insane Special Attack it is quite good in that role. After a single Calm Mind boost, there is barely anything in the tier that can take these attacks well. I generally like to keep it saved for the late game. Opposing Gengar are the only threats that occasionally force my hand and make me reveal Zam, so it's generally not too hard to keep it hidden.

    This set was chosen as I believe it provides Alakazam with the best chance of cleaning up in the late game. The combination of speed, power and coverage limits the things that can effectively counter it. Calm Mind allows it to set up on some weaker special attackers, Psychic is there for STAB, Hidden Power Grass hits Tyranitar and Swampert, and Fire Punch hits Steels such as Metagross. Max Special Attack and Speed with a Timid nature make it as fast and strong as possible.

    Problem Areas
    This team is not without its flaws, I personally don't consider it tournament ready yet so any advice is definitely welcome. There are two main issues I've had so far. The first is opposing offensive Electric Types. I don't have a solid switch in for any of them. I do have ways to deal with them, Gengar's Explosion can catch them off guard, Zapdos' Toxic can be used to put a clock on them, and Tyranitar can check them decently, but they do provide a serious offensive threat to the team. The other main issue is Aerodactyl. Aero isn't a poke I have a hard time answering, between Swampert, Skarmory and Tyranitar I can generally handle it from a defensive perspective. The main issue is that it puts a hard stop on Alakazam. I don't really think there's a way to fix this but it is definitely something to keep in mind if using the team yourself.

    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Grass]
    - Toxic
    - Baton Pass

    Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Keen Eye
    EVs: 252 HP / 248 SpD / 8 Spe
    Careful Nature
    - Spikes
    - Toxic
    - Whirlwind
    - Protect

    Gengar @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 124 HP / 160 Atk / 116 Def / 12 SpA / 24 SpD / 72 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Punch
    - Explosion
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Swampert @ Leftovers
    Ability: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 Spe
    Relaxed Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Beam
    - Hydro Pump
    - Protect

    Tyranitar @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sand Stream
    EVs: 80 HP / 180 Atk / 76 Def / 172 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    IVs: 30 SpD / 30 Spe
    - Rock Slide
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Dance
    - Hidden Power [Bug]

    Alakazam @ Leftovers
    Ability: Synchronize
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Calm Mind
    - Psychic
    - Hidden Power [Grass]
    - Fire Punch
     
  2. Troller

    Troller From Marcoasd's DNA Member

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    Hi, the team looks very nice, however you have serious issues with offensive Starmie (Hydro Pump-BoltBeam coverage) who can basically get a free kill everytime since you have not the Water resistor, also we have some problems with cheap stuff like Magneton+a lot of pressure on your Swampert/a baiter like Explosion (but that's depends, yo can avoid that i guess)/Hidden Power Grass (i mean when you try to enter, not when you can scout with Protect)+Dragon Dance Salamence.

    What if you find Raikou (with Substitute+Hidden Power Grass)? He can easily setup the sub on Gengar or Zapdos and spam attacks.

    The last problem i see actually is Regice, you have not an Ice Resistor and he can enter on Zapdos/Gengar and just click the stab.
     
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  3. Cowboy Dan

    Cowboy Dan Host Emeritus

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    Hi thanks for the rate, one thing i've been trying recently is having jolteon over zapdos which helps quite a bit against opposing electrics, it takes on zapdos quite nicely, and with roar it can keep raikou at bay for a while. It's also a bit more solid vs starmie which is nice, being able to check it solidly i find is good enough for offensive teams. Zapdos' power is missed though. Regice I haven't had too many issues with, it hurts offensively but with spikes and sand and stuff it gets worn down pretty fast so doesn't have many opportunities to do work. Main issue i've found recently is pursuit tar as i need gengar to both explode on special walls and block rapid spin, without one or the other i'd feel fine but without both it's hard to pressure those pursuit tar stall teams. I've started running hypnosis to patch this but gengar just seems worse without WoW on this team. Ultimately that, and a few other problems such as the magneton issue you mentioned still make me think this team isn't tournament ready but it's pretty fun at least.
     
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  4. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    You could try Fire Punch + Giga Drain on Gengar over Tbolt + Ice Punch; with HP Ice Jolt / Skarm / Pert you're really solid vs mence anyway and it helps with magneton, regice, heracross and pursuit tar. Another option is focus punch which smacks mag bliss regice and tar all at once, which you could maybe try over explosion too.
     
  5. teal6

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    you have a pretty big rock weakness. swampert as the resist + no spinner means its relatively easy for something like cb aero to give you a HUGE pain. double rock attacker teams like dd taunt tar + aero are basically death, you can't be switching pert in on +1 aero rockslides & 3 layers of spikes that often. skarm is a half ass check tbh to these attackers as flinch + nonresist + taunt possibility makes it simply not good enough often.

    boom gar + zam is a sick offensive core, though, one i was playing around with for some time. zam's coverage is the same as the good jirachi and its speed and incredible SpA make it hugely threatening, you definitely do need spikes so skarm is a fine partner althought i used forretress+starmie in order to have a reliable spin for my swampert to come in often.
    edit: spin is NOT on both forry and starm, but in the words of alexander "that forretress is never spinning against gengar" .. basically its garbage as a spinner and if you want to keep spikes off i recommend never using foretress as your spike remover
     
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    if water resistance is concerned, maybe psychic mie>zam
     

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